I do not permit a woman to teach...

[JesusFan]

Pardon; sarcasm is my second language.
I'm still trying to put together 1 Timothy 2.

Paul's instruction to be 'lifting up holy hands' is a rather 'plain apostolic command' as well. What separates it from the others?
If the instructions are understood as metaphorical, why wouldn't a less than literal understanding apply for the rest of his instructions in the passage?

Were Paul's instructions not to have "broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array" also to be considered metaphorical?
How did braided hair, gold earring and even pearls become acceptable accessories in churches today?

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I'm beginning to understand the passage as a bit less than an 'apostolic command' and more about godly wisdom and order;
for we are not under the law; "the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels" (1 Timothy 1:9).

Apparently, some men and women ("certain persons") in the church were teaching false doctrine. Paul mentions that they taught out of "ignorance" and "lack of understanding" (1 Tim 1:3-7). Paul even mentions that before his conversion, even he acted ignorantly.

The instructions for men dealt with controlling "anger and quarreling" that was provoked by "vain discussion" and 'confident teachings without a proper understanding.'
Women were instructed to dress properly and keep silent because:
(1) they were dressing inappropriately
(2) they were largely ignorant or un-taught, and
(3) they were unruly (perhaps provoked by their husbands anger).

So Paul provided wisdom for proper order and decorum among the assembly of believers.
To keep order, there needed to be some sort of hierarchy and a respect for order.

Paul follows up 1 Timothy 2 with instructions of how the church is to be ordered; bishops/overseer's and deacons.

Rob

Do you think women are permitted to be either pastors or elders in local assemblies?

 

[Judith]

NO! Women are not permitted to hold ANY office of authority where men are involved. They can teach women
Titus 2:
1But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: 2That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

3The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

If a woman is holding one of the positions mentioned in the OP she is a rebellious woman.

 

[Reynolds]

Do you think women are permitted to be either pastors or elders in local assemblies?

No

 

[Reynolds]

Do you think women are permitted to be either pastors or elders in local assemblies?

No

 

[Reynolds]

Do you think women are permitted to be either pastors or elders in local assemblies?

No

 

[JesusFan]

NO! Women are not permitted to hold ANY office of authority where men are involved. They can teach women
Titus 2:
1But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: 2That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

3The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

If a woman is holding one of the positions mentioned in the OP she is a rebellious woman.

can they teach other women and/or children's, or teach both men and women if teaching "non spiritual" matters such as going over financial investing or counseling?

 

[JesusFan]

No

What about then there are female missionaries teaching say school to mission fields, or else female professors teaching in seminary setting say Greek or theology?

 

[Reynolds]

What about then there are female missionaries teaching say school to mission fields, or else female professors teaching in seminary setting say Greek or theology?

The admonition is in the church.

 

[Reynolds]

The command is for any office within the church because of authority. A woman can teach anyone male or female outside the office of authority of the church.

I

The command is for any office within the church because of authority. A woman can teach anyone male or female outside the office of authority of the church.

I Tim 2 does not say the teaching has to be a position of authority.

 

[Reynolds]

The command is for any office within the church because of authority. A woman can teach anyone male or female outside the office of authority of the church.

I

The command is for any office within the church because of authority. A woman can teach anyone male or female outside the office of authority of the church.

I Tim 2 does not say the teaching has to be a position of authority.

 

[Reynolds]

The command is for any office within the church because of authority. A woman can teach anyone male or female outside the office of authority of the church.

I

The command is for any office within the church because of authority. A woman can teach anyone male or female outside the office of authority of the church.

I Tim 2 does not say the teaching has to be a position of authority.