I fear

[Robert Snow]

Here is your original post. It is totally false, and without foundation. As far as looking foolish, you must be getting a reflected image. There is not one statement in your post that has a shread of truth.

I stated an opinion, not a truth. You do know the difference, don't you?

 

[Robert Snow]

Eastern KY, about 50 miles due west of Lexington. The farther west you go the fewer the Primitives are. Around here the average is one Church per county; on up in the mountains there's more.

Are the greatest percentage of Primitive Baptist churches located in the Ozark and Appalachian mountains?

 

[saturneptune]

I stated an opinion, not a truth. You do know the difference, don't you?

Yes, I know the difference, but since you do not, here is an example. If I say George Washington was a good President, that is an opinion. If I say George Washington was the second President, that is a false statement. Now, reread your post number one of this thread, and still tell me that is an opinion.

 

[saturneptune]

I fear that many five point Calvinists (the ones who are hyper-Calvinists) are heretics (not all, but some) who have fooled themselves into thinking they belong to Christ.

If a person believes that they just all of a sudden recognized that they are part of the redeemed without repenting of their sins and accepting the free gift of salvation from God, I seriously doubt that they are saved at all!

Now, I'm not talking about a born again Christian who is saved and then stumbles into the doctrinal error of Calvinism. Nor am I talking about the person who is either raised in or is attending a reformed church who truly sees their need for salvation and repents and accepts Christ.

Posted by Rippon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Snow

If a person believes that they just all of a sudden recognized that they are part of the redeemed without repenting of their sins and accepting the free gift of salvation from God, I seriously doubt that they are saved at all!

Nor am I talking about the person who is either raised in or is attending a reformed church who truly sees their need for salvation and repents and accepts Christ.

These parts of Robert Snow's OP I agree with. So, I therefore disagree with SN's remarks directed to Mr. Snow :"It is totally false,and without foundation." SN deals in hyperbole occasionally; well, quite often actually.

Lets go over this one more time. Here are the two quotes side by side, the first one made by your theological buddy, and the second made when you quoted his first post. It is very obvious you left out the first sentence, the inflammatory one. This is proof that you either want to defend Arminianism, or that you want to play word games with the English language at a level of your understanding. For someone who claims to believe in five points of Calvinism, you certainly show no conviction.

Now, to the second sentence you defended. The second sentence mocks God's act of regeneration in the first part of the sentence. The last part of the sentence draws a conclusion that is impossible, that is, after regeneration, not repenting. You defend this statement. The nicest thing that can be said about such an outrageous statement is that you, as above, either truly believe in the doctrine of free will, or are just here to play games.

You also choose (no pun intended) to defend the third statement. Although you left the first part out, the very fact that he uses the phrase "stumbles into the doctrinal error of Calvinism" tarnishes the whole idea he was trying to convey. I will grant you one point. The last part of the statement, ignoring the first part, could be true. One could be in a reformed church and see the need for salvation. That is just another phrase for regeneration.

The first sentence you left out of your quote, uses the word heretic, a word you claim to never have used on others.

So which is it Mr. Rippon, do you believe in the doctrines of sovereignty and grace or not? There was a time I thought you believed such, even though I did not like the way you talked to others. Now, how could anyone know?

 

[kyredneck]

....Eastern KY, about 50 miles due west of Lexington......

.......sorry, it's EAST of Lex not west (I think it was past my bedtime when I wrote that)

 

[kyredneck]

Are the greatest percentage of Primitive Baptist churches located in the Ozark and Appalachian mountains?

Robert I can't answer that question, but I don't think so. It seems there's a lot of PBs strewn accross the South also.

 

[Rippon]

If a person believes that they just all of a sudden recognized that they are part of the redeemed without repenting of their sins and accepting the free gift of salvation from God, I seriously doubt that they are saved at all!

Does any Calvinist here disagree with the above? If someone claims that they are redeemed yet has not repented of their sins -- can they be saved at all? It seems that a particular Johhny-Come-Lately to the Refomed side of the Aisle has issues with this.

Nor am I talking about the person who is either raised in or is attending a reformed church who truly sees their need for salvation and repents and accepts Christ.

Many attend Reformed Churches who are unsaved. If these unregenerate people see their need of salvation and repent of their sins and turn to the Lord -- is that not very scriptural? How anyone claiming to be a Christian -- of even the Calvinist variety would naysay this is perplexing. Of course anyone who recognizes their sinful estate,repents of their sins,falls upon the mercy of the Lord to save them -- the lord has opened their spiritual eyes. The Lord has caused their heart of stone to become a heart of flesh. The Lord has transferred them from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of Light.This is basic Bible 101.

 

[Rippon]

Posted by Rippon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Snow

If a person believes that they just all of a sudden recognized that they are part of the redeemed without repenting of their sins and accepting the free gift of salvation from God, I seriously doubt that they are saved at all!

Nor am I talking about the person who is either raised in or is attending a reformed church who truly sees their need for salvation and repents and accepts Christ.

These parts of Robert Snow's OP I agree with. So, I therefore disagree with SN's remarks directed to Mr. Snow :"It is totally false,and without foundation." SN deals in hyperbole occasionally; well, quite often actually.

It is very obvious you left out the first sentence, the inflammatory one.

Yes, I left it out. I didn't agree with it. I quoted the sections of his OP with which I agreed. But at leeast you have finally understood after multiple posts of mine explaining that I was was quoting from his OP -- that it really was from his OP. I don't see how that was such a struggle for you.

This is proof that you either want to defend Arminianism, or that you want to play word games with the English language

No word games are necessary. My previous post may clarify the obvious for you. As far as defending Arminianism -- hardly. You don't know me at all if that's your take.

For someone who claims to believe in five points of Calvinism, you certainly show no conviction.

I go a lot further than merely believing in the five points of Calvinism. If you think I show no conviction -- maybe the Lord will convict you of your error.:laugh:

I will grant you one point. The last part of the statement, ignoring the first part, could be true. One could be in a reformed church and see the need for salvation. That is just another phrase for regeneration.

Well,well, you are coming around. Your prior view that his post was entirely false and without foundation -- was wrong.

So which is it Mr. Rippon, do you believe in the doctrines of sovereignty and grace or not?

I most certainly do! It was just a few years ago on the BB that you were not a Calvinist.

There was a time I thought you believed such,...

Really? You have a strange way of showing it. On dozens of occasions in the past you said that I was a poor example of a Calvinist. You said that I should have become an Arminian because I wasn't doing the Reformed side any favors etc. No, you are not being truthful SN.

 

[Robert Snow]

Yes, I know the difference, but since you do not, here is an example. If I say George Washington was a good President, that is an opinion. If I say George Washington was the second President, that is a false statement. Now, reread your post number one of this thread, and still tell me that is an opinion.

I fear (an opinion) that many five point Calvinists (the ones who are hyper-Calvinists) are heretics (not all, but some) who have fooled themselves into thinking they belong to Christ.

If a person believes that they just all of a sudden recognized that they are part of the redeemed without repenting of their sins and accepting the free gift of salvation from God,I seriously doubt (on opinion) that they are saved at all!

(a qualifing statement) Now, I'm not talking about a born again Christian who is saved and then stumbles into the doctrinal error of Calvinism. Nor am I talking about the person who is either raised in or is attending a reformed church who truly sees their need for salvation and repents and accepts Christ.

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[Robert Snow]

Robert I can't answer that question, but I don't think so. It seems there's a lot of PBs strewn accross the South also.

I ask this because for a while I lived in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I remember going to several churches, but I do not remember seeing an Primitive Baptist churches around there. Although, I had never heard of them at the time and therefore wasn't looking for them.

 

[saturneptune]

Posted by Rippon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Snow

If a person believes that they just all of a sudden recognized that they are part of the redeemed without repenting of their sins and accepting the free gift of salvation from God, I seriously doubt that they are saved at all!

Nor am I talking about the person who is either raised in or is attending a reformed church who truly sees their need for salvation and repents and accepts Christ.

These parts of Robert Snow's OP I agree with. So, I therefore disagree with SN's remarks directed to Mr. Snow :"It is totally false,and without foundation." SN deals in hyperbole occasionally; well, quite often actually.

It is really good seeing you and RS on the same side. Kind of brings a tear to my eye.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Robert I can't answer that question, but I don't think so. It seems there's a lot of PBs strewn accross the South also.

All over the southeast, many in the south, a few in the midwest, and some in the west, a sprinkling in the mid-Atlantic states, my friend.
used to be a few in the New England area, particularly upstate new york.

 

[Robert Snow]

It is really good seeing you and RS on the same side. Kind of brings a tear to my eye.

I believe one day we will see that we are all on the same side. We belong to the Lord Jesus Christ!

BTW, It's good to see you back again after your surgery. Hope you are doing great! :thumbsup:

 

[saturneptune]

I believe one day we will see that we are all on the same side. We belong to the Lord Jesus Christ!

BTW, It's good to see you back again after your surgery. Hope you are doing great! :thumbsup:

Hey, thats not fair in the middle of a debate, but thanks for asking. I am eight weeks out of a 6 way bypass, and am doing pretty good thanks to the Lord. The chest bone still hurts and will for a while. I am in rehab, and on a strict diet. They have me on some medicine. I am 57, and this is my first hospital admission. It was quite a wake up call about mortality. In the past, I have ignored doctors and the medical community. I would not have ignored this very long. I really appreciate the thoughts. No more monstor burgers for me.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Hey, thats not fair in the middle of a debate, but thanks for asking. I am eight weeks out of a 6 way bypass, and am doing pretty good thanks to the Lord. The chest bone still hurts and will for a while. I am in rehab, and on a strict diet. They have me on some medicine. I am 57, and this is my first hospital admission. It was quite a wake up call about mortality. In the past, I have ignored doctors and the medical community. I would not have ignored this very long. I really appreciate the thoughts. No more monstor burgers for me.

six-way bypass ? man, you musta been really fit in your prime.
only way somebody can have clogged up arteries of that number and live to 57, I think, the Lord's protection being a primary factor, of course.
that chest bone will clack-clack for a time, but nothing to worry about, especially if you're used to sleeping on your back.

 

[saturneptune]

six-way bypass ? man, you musta been really fit in your prime.
only way somebody can have clogged up arteries of that number and live to 57, I think, the Lord's protection being a primary factor, of course.
that chest bone will clack-clack for a time, but nothing to worry about, especially if you're used to sleeping on your back.

Thanks for that. The popping bone does feel odd at times. Most of this is due to heredity. I do not drink, and did not eat that bad. I stayed fairly active. It is just one of those things. The Lord left me here for some reason in His mercy.

 

[Rippon]

It is really good seeing you and RS on the same side. Kind of brings a tear to my eye.

You have got to be one of the most insincere individuals I have ever come across SN. Are you afraid of addressing my posts numbered 187 and 188?

 

[pinoybaptist]

Does any Calvinist here disagree with the above? If someone claims that they are redeemed yet has not repented of their sins -- can they be saved at all? It seems that a particular Johhny-Come-Lately to the Refomed side of the Aisle has issues with this.



Many attend Reformed Churches who are unsaved. If these unregenerate people see their need of salvation and repent of their sins and turn to the Lord -- is that not very scriptural? How anyone claiming to be a Christian -- of even the Calvinist variety would naysay this is perplexing. Of course anyone who recognizes their sinful estate,repents of their sins,falls upon the mercy of the Lord to save them -- the lord has opened their spiritual eyes. The Lord has caused their heart of stone to become a heart of flesh. The Lord has transferred them from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of Light.This is basic Bible 101.

was the realization "all of a sudden" as Mr. Snow would like to define it ?
Is there a Calvinist or DoG here who all of a sudden realized, first, that he was part of the elect, before repenting of his sin ?

 

[saturneptune]

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