I have changed my view on these doctrines:

[quantumfaith]

I am just as far apart from those who hold to complete determinism as I am from those who hold to man-centered Pelagianism. Both are wrong -- and not because I think so or say so -- but because the Word of God says so.

We can argue "logically" on either side of the continuum of soteriological doctrine and end up in a place that goes far beyond Scripture. That, in fact, is what most are doing here on this board. If one is Reformed, they MUST have a deterministic God. If one is Arminian, they must be Pelagian. The correct answer is, "no" they are Reformed and stop where the Bible stops or they are Arminian and stop where the Bible stops and each MUST deal with the entirety of Scripture, not setting it against itself, for God is not divided.

Question... Do those who die in their sin live forever just like those who die "in Christ?" Is there another death besides the death that we suffer here in this "pre-life" before eternity?

Not ignoring you, just not sure I understand the question.

 

[quantumfaith]

I am just as far apart from those who hold to complete determinism as I am from those who hold to man-centered Pelagianism. Both are wrong -- and not because I think so or say so -- but because the Word of God says so.

We can argue "logically" on either side of the continuum of soteriological doctrine and end up in a place that goes far beyond Scripture. That, in fact, is what most are doing here on this board. If one is Reformed, they MUST have a deterministic God. If one is Arminian, they must be Pelagian. The correct answer is, "no" they are Reformed and stop where the Bible stops or they are Arminian and stop where the Bible stops and each MUST deal with the entirety of Scripture, not setting it against itself, for God is not divided.

Question... Do those who die in their sin live forever just like those who die "in Christ?" Is there another death besides the death that we suffer here in this "pre-life" before eternity?

I dont know.

 

[quantumfaith]

I have given an open ear to and even experimented with most principle doctrines of the various denominations of what the world calls christianity, even Roman Catholicism. I have also given an open ear to the agnostic and atheistic points of view.

I have weighed and measured as much as I found worthy of a serious look and have found that I believe the bible and that the bible solidly supports the southern baptist doctrines and upbringing my grandpa gave me.

I support the baptist faith and message.

So, I guess you can say I came back to where I should have started. However, I think I am more calvinistic than my grandpa. I wish I could talk to him and find out. I see that my journey has probably given me experiences to draw from that I wouldn't have had otherwise but I regret it and wish I would have just been faithful to what I was taught as a child instead of being so hard headed.

I feel a mountain of guilt about it.

:thumbsup:

You are "human' just like the rest of us.

 

[quantumfaith]

From IFB to Reformed.
From dispensational to amil/partial preterist (taking a hard look at postmil)
From trying to burn heretics (as I defined heretics) to trying to obey the Lord's command to love one another.
From a know-it-all to a real education (knowing I know nothing).From KJV Only to Byzantine family of texts.
From Assertive-Pastor leadership to confessional/plurality of elders leadership.
From soft cessationist to hard cessationist.

:thumbsup:

 

[Andy T.]

I am just as far apart from those who hold to complete determinism as I am from those who hold to man-centered Pelagianism. Both are wrong -- and not because I think so or say so -- but because the Word of God says so.

We can argue "logically" on either side of the continuum of soteriological doctrine and end up in a place that goes far beyond Scripture. That, in fact, is what most are doing here on this board. If one is Reformed, they MUST have a deterministic God. If one is Arminian, they must be Pelagian. The correct answer is, "no" they are Reformed and stop where the Bible stops or they are Arminian and stop where the Bible stops and each MUST deal with the entirety of Scripture, not setting it against itself, for God is not divided.

Such a great statement here, and keen insight as to what the tenor of this forum has become (unfortunately), which is why it has become rather ugly around here (and I'm not exempt from it, either).

 

[glfredrick]

Not ignoring you, just not sure I understand the question.

The question is actually very simple. Let's say a sinner goes to hell. How long does he or she live? Or a saint goes to heaven, same...

I'd suggest that was God's original intent, for He is in a sense, re-creating what He started before we fell into sin, but this time, the populace has been "filtered" by means of justification and adoption as sons before the fact.

 

[Van]

Fantastic Thread

I very much enjoyed reading through the thread, even if I skipped over posts discussing specific points.

I grew up in an American Baptist Church, but at age 15 when I put my trust in Christ and was baptized, I did not go through a "discipleship" program, so I did not know much about the doctrines that divide.

So my journey was more of going from generalized beliefs (i.e. whatever the preacher said) to specific doctrinal positions based on personal bible study.

I started out as a once saved, always saved kind of guy. Still am.

Traditional dispensationalism to progressive dispensationalism

From KJV to modern translations, especially the NASB

From tithing 10% to free will offering.

I started out trying to defend Calvinist positions, but found I could not. I than tried to embrace Arminianism and found it closer to my heart but still missing the mark. So I developed a hybrid soteriology, using points from Calvinism and Arminianism and from some in between views.

I do not know what to do about understanding Genesis 1, other than say as I was there and do not know, as taught in Job 38.