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I knew it, I knew it, I knew it!!!!!

F

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I've known this for years, (Bin Laden's family being chartered out of the US after 9/11). Michael Moore was even attacked by some as fabricating this info after Farenheit 9/11 was released.
 

LadyEagle

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I knew about the bin Laden Family - even the part about the FBI being told "from the top" (meaning WH) to let them go, but the WND article is suggesting OBL was with them, which I knew in my heart of hearts all along. This WND article is the first suggestion that OBL was with them that I've read anywhere.

I wonder if those original Boston Globe articles are still able to be accessed. I will go check out my folder on my desk top about all of this. I researched this well after 09/11 and that is when my opinion of GWB went south, grievously so, and it has been a downward spiral ever since I found out about all his business dealings with the bin Laden family that went back decades. And that George Bush Sr. was sitting on the board of Carlisle, partially owned by the bin Ladens. That was another Larry Klayman exposure and Bush Sr. finally stepped down due to "conflict of interest."

BTW, correct me if I'm wrong, but from some of your posts, you appear to be of the liberal stripe in your politics. So, can you imagine the grief I have felt as a conservative as my own research peeled off the layers of deceit of GW Bush? I went into a depression over it for awhile, not despondent, mind you, but grieved in my soul. I had voted for him (the first time only), based on what he appeared to be at the time of the 2000 election. I voted CP in 2004, because this time, I knew his fruits and knew the truth about this man.
 
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KenH

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I wouldn't be surprised at all if Osama bin Laden chartered a plane to get some of his family members out of the country. As I understand it, his family is not hurting for money.

As long as his family members had no connection with the attacks on 9/11/2001 I have no problem with allowing them to leave the country. If they did, then they should not have been allowed to leave.
 

Bro. Curtis

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Ken, L.E. said it, in her post. I agree, there's nothing in it to prove it, and this is more looking under rugs, and taking our eyes off of real problems.
 
F

Filmproducer

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LadyEagle said:
BTW, correct me if I'm wrong, but from some of your posts, you appear to be of the liberal stripe in your politics. So, can you imagine the grief I have felt as a conservative as my own research peeled off the layers of deceit of GW Bush? I went into a depression over it for awhile, not despondent, mind you, but grieved in my soul. I had voted for him (the first time only), based on what he appeared to be at the time of the 2000 election. I voted CP in 2004, because this time, I knew his fruits and knew the truth about this man.

I certainly understand your sentiments, LE. I can honestly say that I have never voted for GW. While I may be liberal leaning, I tend to keep an open mind. Politics is never really what it seems, and the candidates never really seem to fit into neat, little packages. My opinion of GW went south shortly after attending one of his campaign rallies for the 2000 election.
 

LadyEagle

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I think Snopes has it wrong: It's being covered up, IMO.

This episode raises particularly sensitive questions for the administration. Never before in history has a president of the United States had such a close relationship with another foreign power as President Bush and his father have had with the Saudi royal family, the House of Saud. I have traced more than $1.4 billion in investments and contracts that went from the House of Saud over the past 20 years to companies in which the Bushes and their allies have had prominent positions -- Harken Energy, Halliburton, and the Carlyle Group among them. Is it possible that President Bush himself played a role in authorizing the evacuation of the Saudis after 9/11? What did he know and when did he know it?

Let's go back to Sept. 13, 2001, and look at several scenes that were taking place simultaneously. Three thousand people had just been killed. The toxic rubble of the World Trade Center was still ablaze. American airspace was locked down. Not even Bill Clinton and Al Gore, who were out of the country, were allowed to fly home. And a plane bearing a replacement heart for a desperately ill Seattle man was forced down short of its destination by military aircraft. Not since the days of the Wright Brothers had American skies been so empty.

But some people desperately wanted to fly out of the country. That same day, Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdul Aziz, the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States and a long-time friend of the Bush family, dropped by the White House. He and President George W. Bush went out to the Truman Balcony for a private conversation. We do not know everything they discussed, but the Saudis themselves say that Prince Bandar was trying to orchestrate the evacuation of scores of Saudis from the United States despite the lockdown on air
Meanwhile, a small plane in Tampa, Fla. took off for Lexington, Ky. According to former Tampa cop Dan Grossi and former FBI agent Manny Perez, who were on the flight to provide security, the passengers included three young Saudis. Given the national security crisis, both Grossi and Perez were astonished that they were allowed to take off. The flight could not have taken place without White House approval.

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The plane taking off from Tampa was the first of at least eight aircraft that began flying across the country, stopping in at least 12 American cities and carrying at least 140 passengers out of the country over the next week or so. The planes included a lavishly customized Boeing 727 airliner that was equipped with a master bedroom suite, huge flat-screen TVs, and a bathroom with gold-plated fixtures. Many of the passengers were high-ranking members of the royal House of Saud. About 24 of them were members of the bin Laden family, which owned the Saudi Binladin Group, a multibillion-dollar construction conglomerate.

All this occurred at a time when intelligence analysts knew that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi, that Saudi money was one of the major forces behind Al Qaeda, and that the prime suspect -- Osama bin Laden -- was Saudi as well.

For its part, the Bush administration has erected the proverbial stone wall on the topic of the Saudi evacuation. The White House told me that it is "absolutely confident" the Sept. 13 flight from Tampa did not take place. The FBI said "unequivocally" it played no role in facilitating any flights. The Federal Aviation Administration said that the Tampa-to-Lexington flight was not in the logs and did not take place.
But they are all wrong.

How can I be sure? I have interviewed not only Dan Grossi and Manny Perez, but also sources who helped orchestrate the flights. I tracked down photos of the interior of one of the planes. Former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke told me, and later the 9/11 commission, about discussions in the White House that allowed the flights to begin.
Clarke says his advice was that the Saudis should be able to leave only after they had been vetted by the FBI. A basic procedure in any crime investigation is to interview friends and relatives of the primary suspect. When I talked to FBI special agents who participated in the Saudi evacuation, however, they said that they identified the passengers boarding the flights but did not have lengthy interviews with them.
"Here you have an attack with substantial links to Saudi Arabia," says John L. Martin, a former Justice Department official who supervised investigation and prosecution of national security offenses for 18 years. "You would want to talk to people in the Saudi royal family and the Saudi government, particularly since they have pledged cooperation."

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2004/04/11/unasked_questions/
 

carpro

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LadyEagle said:
I think Snopes has it wrong: It's being covered up, IMO.

"This episode raises particularly sensitive questions for the administration. Never before in history has a president of the United States had such a close relationship with another foreign power as President Bush and his father have had with the Saudi royal family, the House of Saud."


http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2004/04/11/unasked_questions/


He must have had his eyes closed while Clinton was in the hip pocket of the Chinese.;)
 

LadyEagle

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Maybe so, but it wasn't the Chinese who flew jets into buildings, was it? Granted the Chinese have missiles pointed at us while we continue to buy their cheap goods, seafood, and medicines, but that is the topic of another thread. ;)
 

poncho

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KenH said:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Osama bin Laden chartered a plane to get some of his family members out of the country. As I understand it, his family is not hurting for money.

As long as his family members had no connection with the attacks on 9/11/2001 I have no problem with allowing them to leave the country. If they did, then they should not have been allowed to leave.
Nobody knows if his family had anything to do with 911 or not. They were allowed to leave the country when everyone else was forbidden to even fly. There were alot of FBI investigations that were suspended and/or otherwise obstructed. There's a big ole rat hiding in the woodpile that someone doesn't want found.
 
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Baptist in Richmond

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carpro said:
He must have had his eyes closed while Clinton was in the hip pocket of the Chinese.;)

The entire country is in the hip pocket of the Chinese, carpro.
Why don't you go to K-Mart, Target, Wal-Mart, or practically any store and see how much of our daily items are made in China.
Who do you think owns a substantial portion of our national debt?
 
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