I know Bush needs our prayers but does he need medical help?

After skimming Capitol Hill Blue, my response to that is, "And I'm the Pope."

If this is so undeniable, let's see some corroboration. Right now all we have on the entire web is one story by a site whose contributors would seemingly like to tear Bush limb from limb.

 

Remember this one well.

The guy who owns/ owned CHB had a horrible brain tumor and the site was down for quite a while. Wonder if this is him or new owners....

 

It wasn't written Aug 25, 2005.

It's been floating around the internet for a couple of years now.

Another poster here posted it more than a year ago.


But seriously bush we know for a fact has an
exercise addiction...I know what that is like
being a running addict in the 80's and 90's
with 3 marathons under my belt..those brain
chemicals really can percolate and drip into
your system...but like I said once you get injured or wear out your knees be aware of
withdrawals.

I stand on my topic...bush needs our prayers and
he may need to talk to someone about his anger.
imho [/QB][/QUOTE]

 

*Sigh*

Nothing better than a bunch of Christians if you want someone that will stab your friends in the back and gloat over your mistakes.

RE the comment Bush has born no fruit. How do you know? You ever met the man? Ever talked to him? Ever asked who he has discussed Christ with and who he hasn't?

Bush - not Reagan - BUSH was the man who did more to stop stem-cell-research from using fetuses of unborn children.

Whose watch did they stop partial birth abortion on?

Bush - not Reagan - is the one who encouraged the nation to prayer during difficult times, and who has stepped forward to state loudly that he will not apologize for loving Christ.

Bush is the one who credits Christ for his strengths, and accepts the blame himself for his failures.

Bush is the one with his face pastered on books talking about his faith in God and how much it frightens non believers.

But - you - who are not trying to do the best you can, while everyone in the entire world judges every word you speak or every action you take - who do not have strangers insulting your children, and protesting outside your vacation homes - - go on and knock him.

I'm sure it makes you feel more manly and more important to insult someone who you are 99% sure won't insult you back.

 

Here's you'll find two similar articles published by the same source over a year ago.

Bush's Erratic Behavior Worries White House Aides
Bush Taking Anti-Depressants to Control Mood Swings

All this is nothing but venomous lies, exaggerations, and distortions. It is worth recalling only to call attention to its lack of any real credibility by the pattern it establishes.

 

Just to clarify, my previous post should have read:

...and stopped there. The rest are aslanspal's comments.

 

If this were true it would not be such a secret. These type rumors have been floating around for years. I put very little stock in them and count them to be little more than gossip. Unless a credible named source comes forward and says this is true I don't think we should repeat these claims. They fall along the same lines as the claims that Clinton raped a woman. It is the same type thing.

Martin.

 

I don't think it would be a secret either -- if it were verifiable.

 

Dragoon68 said:
You tell me if you believe that's a genuine photograph - relative to the article and not something else taken out of context - or one of the same caliber as the article itself.

==The photograph is real. I saw the video several months ago. It was taken back when Bush was Gov. of Texas, he was preparing to film an advertisement. However it does not fit the article. Before and after that picture Bush was laughing and joking with the crew (etc). He was not angry. So the picture does not fit the article and in that way it is out of context.

The article has some very serious factual errors as well.

It says:
Dr. Frank, in his book, speculates that Bush, an alcoholic who brags that he gave up booze without help from groups like Alcoholics Anonymous, may be drinking again.

==That is nothing but gossip (which is as much a sin as being an alcoholic). The give away here is this that this guy "speculates", that is just another term for gossip.

It says:
Dr. Frank says. “Is he still drinking? And if not, is he impaired by all the years he did spend drinking? Both questions need to be addressed in any serious assessment of his psychological state.”

==Here the anti-Bush agenda shines through. Just like in anti-Clinton articles the anti-Bush articles make these kind of baseless claims. There is nothing in Bush's behavior that indicates he is impaired in anyway. We may disagre with him on certain issues (and believe me I do) however I am honest enough to admit that differences can be based on several things (information, view point, agenda, etc).


It says:
Last year, Capitol Hill Blue learned the White House physician prescribed anti-depressant drugs for the President to control what aides called “violent mood swings.”

==Where is the supporting source? Since none is given honest people can't believe this mere gossip. We need a named, trustworthy source. Now taking anti-depressants is not a bad thing. However I doubt Bush is taking them. His doctor just recently said he is in great health.


It says:
As Dr. Frank also notes: “In writing about Bush's halting appearance in a press conference just before the start of the Iraq War, Washington Post media critic Tom Shales speculated that ‘the president may have been ever so slightly medicated.’”

==More gossip and speculation. Could it be that Bush is just not a good speaker? I think so. JFK was heavily medicated, would this guy make an issue out of it? Interesting stuff.

It said:
Dr. Frank explains Bush’s behavior as all-to-typical of an alcoholic who is still in denial:

“The pattern of blame and denial, which recovering alcoholics work so hard to break, seems to be ingrained in the alcoholic personality; it's rarely limited to his or her drinking,” he says. “The habit of placing blame and denying responsibility is so prevalent in George W. Bush's personal history that it is apparently triggered by even the mildest threat.”

==More gossip with no supporting facts. This guy is speculating again. Because Bush says he no longer drinks he is in denial? Sounds like this guy is using a catch 22 argument.

Anyway I advise people to ignore this type of junk. All presidents suffer these types of rumors and most of the time there is nothing to them. This article looks to be based on information given by a man who was speculating (ie..gossip).

Martin

 

I have been watching him and have heard him do nothing of what you are saying. Bush states he loves Christ. However, stating you love Christ, and truly loving Christ is 2 different things.

 

You are right. Saying you love Christ and truly loving Christ are very different things.
One of the signs of loving Christ is behaving in a Christ like manner.

Let's see. How Christ like is some behavior?

Saying you love Christ (George does, you probably do) - or - Saying someone else doesn't? (George doesn't, some of you obviously do). (I guess those verses about throwing stones don't apply to you.)

Risking the political/professional careers of everyone close to you to throw your support toward a ban of an activity you truly believe is unChristian - like partial-birth-abortion (Bush does) - OR - condemning someone for "not doing enough" when you yourself have done far less? (Bush doesn't - but some of you do, and yet, have you put anything in your life on the line doing more? Or even as much?)

Standing up against the scientists of the world and, despite the political pressure and peer pressure to do otherwise, limit certain actions that you believe are unholy - (stem-cell-research using fetus)(Bush did) - OR - condemning someone for "not doing enough" when you yourself have done far less? (Bush doesn't, many of you do, but again, what have those you who condemn actually done? Quit a job over it? Risked a job over it? Oh yes! I remember! You wrote letters and yelled others weren't doing enough!)

When George gets to heaven, among the things he will be able to say to Christ are the following:

"I never denied you, no matter how hard they tried to make me. Even though it could cost me, or my friends, our chosen careers."
"I tried to stop the use of new fetal cells for stem-cell-research."
"I stopped partial birth abortion in my nation."
"I publically thanked you for helping me overcome an alcohol addiction."
"I witnessed for Christ, and told others that you are the one who matters." (In fact the direct quote regarding WHY he spoke to youth about needing to be closer to God was, "'If you change their heart, then they change their behaviour. I know."
"I prayed to you, and I encouraged others to pray to you." Even a book AGAINST Bush describes as "A President who prays each day." Reports are that when he was on Air Force one on a Sunday he insisted on an onboard worship service. He prayed with Tony Blair when they met.

"Bush is already under fire for allowing the appointment of General William Boykin to head the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Boykin, who speaks at evangelical Christian meetings, once said the war on terror was a fight against Satan, and also told a Somali warlord that, 'My God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.'" (From the Observer)

Bush has also been accused of a 'creeping Christianisation' of federal government programmes. In September, the government made more than $60 billion available for religious charitable groups. Critics say the groups will be able to use the cash to promote their religion.
(Source is the Observer)

One group that benefited from previous grants was an Iowa prison project that entitled inmates to televisions, private bathrooms and computers - in return for Christian counselling.

No fruit?

What have YOU done for Christ today?

 

Both you and KenH are correct about the authenticity of the image in that it is not forged. It was taken, just as you've said, in a completely different context. That's exactly the point I made. It's not a genuine photograph that shows the President in a tirade aimed at his aides. It's pulled out of context and used to substantiate an allegation of a different matter. It's the kind of thing done by tabloid publishers. That's what makes it's use, in this case, a complete distortion of reality.

 

I like a bit of "rough and tumble" spirit and "defiance" of opposition in a leader especially when they back it up with action.

 

Everyone has two sides to their personalty.

I don't believe this behavior ever even happened. I have had the opportunity to know a side of the President that isn't out there in the press everyday. I knew him before the press cared about him beyond wanting to follow the son of his earthly father.

However - if you assume for a moment it isn't the lie I truly believe it to be. Let me ask you the following questions.

1) Are you without sin?
2) When was the last time you were truly, truly upset, frustrated and angry? Would you want that moment publicized all over the world? Would you want the world to judge your entire relationship with God based on that moment?
3) Do you really believe the world press is still about "fair" reporting?
4) Where are the tapes about the members of the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the DNC or RNC leaderships when THEY are feeling like this?
5) Which is "worse" a misplaced curse word, or a baby murdered during delivery so that they can call it an abortion instead of murder? Which is better? Sweet, pure words, all the time? Or STOPPING the murder of children?
6) Do you really think the alternative choices as leaders of the country who ran against him would be better men of God in the White House?
7) Do the verses in the bible that say not to call your brother fool and the verses to forgive your enemies and the verses that say "love your neighbor as yourself" not apply to you?
8) Again - Are you sinless enough to cast the stones?

No man or women, Christian or not is perfect.

I get VERY tired of listening to leaders, whether they are business men or Presidents, who are sincerely TRYING to do what they believe is right, stabbed in the back by people who very often don't do ANYTHING substantial in these fights.

Its easy to go to a political caucus on election night, or a delegate conference once a year, and say, "I want this behavior stopped!" You aren't putting your jobs on the line, you don't have fruit-cakes with guns stalking your children, you don't know that standing up for this small thing will have the backlash of your enemies of stopping the big thing, you aren't hounded by the press and condemned by the men and women who SHOULD be praying for you. You just vote and go home and complain that the others didn't do enough.

Get off your rears, and do something REAL, put YOUR job and YOUR life on the line for the same causes and THEN I might think you have a right to judge this man.

 

I'm angry about our enemies who've attacked us, who have sworn to kill us, and who will continue to do so whenever and however they can. My country has a history of being angry over such things. I hope we continue to channel that anger into productive action not in hateful vengence but in courageous and forceful stands against the forces of evil while seeking to maintain liberty and justice in our nation.

I'm angry about those who don't understand the risk involved and who are unwilling to support the just causes of defending against those threats. I'm angry about those persons who frequently takes bits of information - some true and some not - and package and present them as lies, exagggerations, and distortions in attempts to discredit those among us we've chosen to lead.

Yes, indeed, it is a constant struggle!

 

Excellent questions to put this matter into proper perspective!

 

ASLANSPAL said:
With the propensity to lose the civil war of
temptation. I think bush does have a behavioural
problem with gestures and lashes out in frustration. The latest is debatable but given
the fact he has a history of doing it does not
help his cause or puts bricks in the wall of
evidence he has an anger problem.


==If it is debatable than it cannot be used as any sort of evidence. If Bush does, as you suggest, have a problem with anger what should our response be? I imagine it should not be gossip. I point you to 1Timothy 2:1-7 and Galatians 6:1-5. Also, and I think you need to directly answer this, do you have issues with anger? I point you to Matthew 7:2-5. If Bush has a temper problem that is a reason to pray for him. If he is a Christian we should pray that God will help him overcome his problem, if he is not we should pray that God will bring Bush to Himself. We should not, however, engage in these meaningless (and temporal) political gossip games.

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You said:
But when you view the video, as I have, there isn't much doubt: George Bush, who promised to change the tone in Washington and restore dignity to the highest office in the land, deliberately xxxxxxx off the press.

==Let's be more fair than that, ok? There are many people in Washington who have done everything in their power to prevent Bush from "changing the tone". Let's not play this game, ok? Bush did a great job in Texas from what I have heard and I think he had high goals in Washington. However we should all be quick to realize that no man is sinless and that many worked day and night to prevent Bush from changing the tone.

Btw, you want to change the tone in Washington? Here is how we do it: When the next election rolls around we un-elect everyone of the people who are in Washington right now. We elect everyday citizens to office, and we demand tight term limits for all political offices (no more than 2 terms in any one office). How about that? Let's end the day of the career politican. We also lower their pay. The president, considering the fact that he is given a home and transportation, should earn no more than $50,000 per year, the VP around 40,000, senators/congressmen around 30,000. In other words we take the money out of politics. We can do this by voting for the right people and not re-electing the same old people over and over and over again.
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You said:
That's his right, even if it makes him the only born-again man whose favorite philosopher is Jesus Christ who xxxxx people off like a sailor. But the press -- we whipped dogs and disreputable stand-ins for the American people -- didn't even raise a whimper.

==How do you come to the conclusion that Bush does this "like a sailor"? I am only aware of about two or three events (including the two being discussed here...of course assuming that the "debatable" one is true).

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You said:
It was unmistakable. When "Tonight Show" host Jay Leno replayed the video, his audience knew instantly what the president meant (To see the video, visit the Onegoodmove website via www.startribune.com/347).

==O yes, there is a great source..Jay Leno! Wow if the sources get any more offical it will be a closed case Just joking. But seriously I don't see the point (mainly since your link is not online anymore). Not that I am okaying what Bush did (if he did, I have not seen it) but it would certainly not be anything new among presidents....right...

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You said:
I can understand angry and concern ..but "very
angry" someone in my opinion has gone over the top and actually been undiplomatic.

==What? All of that is based on the news story you linked to? Come on. I imagine Bush is very angry, I know I would be! He has worked hard and now these people don't seem to be pulling their share of the weight. While I don't agree with Bush's Iraq policy I don't blame him for being very angry. I get "very angry" on my job when people don't carry their weight.
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You said:
I think Bush has a Jekyll/Hyde to him and just as Paul
wrote we all have a civil war raging against the
Spirit.

==Well if you are Christian...so do you (Gal 5:16-18). So why are you so quick to point your finger at Bush?

Martin.

 

Given the vitriol spewed on this Forum against President Bush by supposed Christians can you say that you have seen much

on this Forum?

 

Because the ASP strikes again!