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I like this guy's Testimony where GOD TOOK HIM from RCC to the KJV.

Alan Dale Gross

Active Member
Mr. Kevin McGrane is a contributor to The Bible League Trust's volume “It is Written.”

This is an excerpt from his Testimony at A Testimony | Bible League Trust

"From Darkness to Light"

"I was given a New International Version Bible as a gift that day, which I read avidly, and that same week I ventured into a Christian bookshop in Southampton. Here was a whole new world. The Lord, there and then, gave me a love of Reformed truth, and I was delighted to come away that day with Hodge on The Westminster Confession of Faith, Cunningham on The Reformers and the Theology of the Reformation, Berkhof’s Systematic Theology, and a Greek New Testament (I had spent four years at a Jesuit school learning Greek). Also that week I bought Bainton’s biography of Luther, Here I Stand, and translations of Luther’s famous treatises of 1520: To the Christian Nobility of the German Nation, On the Babylonian Captivity of the Church, and On the Freedom of a Christian.

"When I was next visiting the parental home in London, the Romanist parish priest was predictably horrified to find me reading Luther’s treatises, yet the initial reaction of my parents to my testifying of the grace of God towards me was actually somewhat favorable: to be a Christian was surely better than to be an atheist, was it not? But once it began to dawn that this Christianity was decidedly Protestant and Calvinist, and that I wanted them to hear and believe the gospel, then a certain amount of antagonism crept in, as well as disbelief: my father quite genuinely enquired whether there were as many as twenty persons in the world who could possibly believe such things. Sadly, my father never left the Roman fold; but many years after his death my mother did so and worshipped with my family.

"Unsatisfactory"

"I very quickly realized that the NIV was a most unsatisfactory translation of the Greek New Testament text I had recently purchased (United Bible Societies Third Edition, same text as the Nestle-Aland 26th edition). I was continually finding that the NIV took unacceptable liberties in translation, and that any alleged ease of understanding came at the price of accuracy and faithfulness to God’s Word. One could hardly embrace the doctrine of justification by faith alone, as I had done, and tolerate Romans 4:3, 5, 9 and 22 in the NIV, which states that a believer’s faith is credited to him “asrighteousness.” This suggests that faith is the ground rather than the instrument of justification, though the Greek preposition is quite unable to bear such a sense. The English Standard Version would later propagate the same translation and theological error.

"I also found that the NIV frequently renders passives as actives and switches subjects and objects, e.g. 1 John 4:9, “This is how God showed his love among us.” It makes unwarranted interpolations that change the sense, e.g. John 12:44: “When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only.” And it removes words and sometimes whole phrases, e.g. where Jesus, Philip and Peter opened their mouths to speak (Matthew 5:2 and Acts 8:35 and 10:34), the NIV merely records that they “began” to speak – yet, inconsistently, retaining the expression in Ephesians 6:19 where Paul sought prayer for when he would open his mouth to preach the gospel. None of the aforementioned examples are matters of textual variation: they are liberties in translation.

"A few weeks later I switched to the Revised Version 1885, because I saw it as the most accurate translation of the Greek text I then owned — which a year or so later I came to realize was itself seriously defective. Decades later I would spend considerable research on the Codex Sinaiticus, confirming that it is a corrupt and hopeless witness to the inspired original. It beggars belief how it could be so tendentiously described as among “the most reliable early manuscripts” (NIV). Once I came to know and understand the arguments for the divine preservation of Scripture, I was irresistibly drawn to use the Authorized Version as being the finest English translation of the soundest text, which remains my persuasion and practice (wherever I can exercise the choice) more than 40 years on."
 

Craigbythesea

Well-Known Member
I have heard and read very many testimonies of “enlightenment” and/or “salvation” by religious people representing many different faiths—Christians, Jehovah’s witnesses, Mormons, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, and agnostics—and most of the testimonies have one thing in common, early in their conversion experience they read or heard something that “clicked” in their heads in a major way. From that point on, their ability to think objectively very rapidly decreased.

This phenomenon is especially common in persons coming from a less than meaningful Roman Catholic background and who read or hear “the doctrines of grace.” They suddenly “realize” that they were saved by grace alone and that the responsibility for their salvation is God’s rather than their own. They have no idea that the doctrine of justification by faith alone came into the church through Roman Catholic scholars and that Roman Catholic Church teaches today justification by faith alone For example,

The Saint Joseph Edition of the New American Bible (1971) has the following note on Rom. 3:21-31,

The justice of God is his mercy whereby he declares guilty man innocent and makes him so. He does this, not as a result of the law, but apart from it (v 21), not because of any merit of man, but through forgiveness of his sins (v 24) in virtue of the redemption wrought in Christ Jesus for all who believe (22-24f), No man can boast of his own holiness, since it is God’s free gift (27), both to the Jew who practices circumcision out of faith, and to the Gentile who accepts faith without the Old Testament religious culture symbolized by circumcision (29f).

The Saint Joseph Edition of the New American Bible with the second edition of the New Testament (1986) has the following note on Rom. 3:21-31,

These verses provide a clear statement of Paul’s “gospel,” i.e., the principle of justification by faith in Christ. God has found a means of rescuing humanity from its desperate plight: Paul’s general term for this divine initiative is the righteousness of God (21). Divine mercy declares the guilty innocent and makes them so. God does this not as a result of the law but apart from it (21), and not because of any merit in human beings but through forgiveness of their sins (24), in virtue of the redemption wrought in Christ Jesus for all who believe (22, 24-25). God has manifested his righteousness in the coming of Jesus Christ, whose saving activity inaugurates a new era in human history.

The Saint Joseph Edition of the New American Bible with the second edition of the New Testament (1986) has the following note on Rom. 4:3,

Jas 2, 24 appears to conflict with Paul’s statement. However, James combats the error of extremists who used the doctrine of justification through faith as a screen for moral self-determination. Paul discusses the subject of holiness in greater detail than does James and beginning with ch 6 shows how justification through faith introduces one to the gift of a new life in Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit.

(The New American Bible is a Roman Catholic Bible with Roman Catholic notes published by the Catholic Book Publishing Company in New York with both the Imprimatur and the Nihil Obstat.

Moreover, Thomas R. Schreiner, Professor of New Testament Interpretation at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, in his commentary on Romans in the Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament series, cites the 1993 commentary on Romans by Joseph A. Fitzmyer* about 450 times. Until his recent death, Fitzmyer was a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest and professor emeritus of biblical studies at the Catholic University of America in Washing, D.C. Today’s ultraconservative Protestant Biblical scholars recognize their counterparts in the Roman Catholic Church to be fine Christian scholars—and indeed, they are!

*Fitzmyer, Joseph A. Romans, A New Translation with Introduction and Commentary. The Anchor Bible series. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1993. 827 pages.

In his commentary on Romans, Fitzmyer supports the doctrine of justification by faith alone and provides a list of Romans Catholics scholars of yesteryear who also taught the doctrine of justification by faith alone.
 

Alan Dale Gross

Active Member
I was continually finding that the NIV took unacceptable liberties in translation, and that any alleged ease of understanding came at the price of accuracy and faithfulness to God’s Word.

One could hardly embrace the doctrine of justification by faith alone, as I had done, and tolerate Romans 4:3, 5, 9 and 22 in the NIV, which states that a believer’s faith is credited to him “as righteousness.”
Looks like he embraced the Doctrine of Justification by the Righteousness of Christ, just as believers in the Old Testament had knowledge of, and had faith in, as well as those in the New Testament, #Isaiah 45:24,25 Romans 3:21-23.

Isaiah 45:24,25; "Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I Righteousness and Strength: even to Him shall men come; and all that are incensed against Him shall be ashamed.

25 "In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be Justified, and shall Glory."

The teaching of Justification is an Eternal Truth clearly believed and Revealed in the Old Testament, prior to any RCC.
This suggests that faith is the ground rather than the instrument of justification, though the Greek preposition is quite unable to bear such a sense.
He's saying they lied and that he doesn't agree with them having lied.
The English Standard Version would later propagate the same translation and theological error.
His emphasis in his writing these things was to point out theological error in some versions.
most of the testimonies have one thing in common, early in their conversion experience they read or heard something that “clicked” in their heads in a major way.
I'm happy you think you found some RRC writings reflective of Salvation being by Justification by Faith in the Blood of Jesus, when that is certainly not what they profess to believe in the main, with 'salvation' as they view it being in and through their false 'church', exclusively.

This man's testimony of Salvation is that God Irresistibly Convicted him through His Word of his sin and Granted him Repentance and Faith in Jesus Christ, for his Justification before God.

"I was angered and stung into reading more Christian Apologetics. The arguments seemed no more persuasive than before, but now suddenly the Scripture verses underpinning them came to me as hammer blows.

"Why should those sentences leap off the page like a battering ram against the strongholds of my mind?

"How could these mere words land such devastating blows?

"Prayer was being made for me, and the Holy Spirit was Convicting me of sin, Righteousness and Judgment, yet also showing me the way of Salvation through Faith in Jesus Christ – not through the lens of Roman Catholicism, but through the Word of God.

"The Force of Truth was Irresistible, and I was Granted Repentance unto Life.
“Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to Thy Mercy remember thou me for Thy Goodness’ Sake, O LORD (Psalm 25:7).
 

Craigbythesea

Well-Known Member
I'm happy you think you found some RRC writings reflective of Salvation being by Justification by Faith in the Blood of Jesus, when that is certainly not what they profess to believe in the main, with 'salvation' as they view it being in and through their false 'church', exclusively.
In my post that you are critiquing, I provided very solid documentation to prove the veracity of my post. And of course, I could have provided very much more documentation. In your post, however, I find nothing but empty words with absolutely no documentation.
 

Alan Dale Gross

Active Member
I'm happy you think you found some RRC writings reflective of Salvation being by Justification by Faith in the Blood of Jesus, when that is certainly not what they profess to believe in the main, with 'salvation' as they view it being in and through their false 'church', exclusively.
In your post, however, I find nothing but empty words with absolutely no documentation.
You're asking me for documentation. That's great.

Catechism of the Catholic Church.
  • PART ONE: THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
    • SECTION ONE "I BELIEVE" - "WE BELIEVE"
      • CHAPTER THREE MAN'S RESPONSE TO GOD
        • Article 2 WE BELIEVE
          • I. "Lord, Look Upon the Faith of Your Church"
            168 It is the Church that believes first, and so bears, nourishes and sustains my faith.
          • Everywhere, it is the Church that first confesses the Lord: "Throughout the world the holy Church acclaims you", as we sing in the hymn Te Deum; with her and in her, we are won over and brought to confess: "I believe", "We believe".
          • It is through the Church that we receive faith and new life in Christ by Baptism.
          • In the Rituale Romanum, the minister of Baptism asks the catechumen: "What do you ask of God's Church?" and the answer is: "Faith." "What does faith offer you?" "Eternal life."54
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994), which is considered a compendium of all Catholic Doctrine.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) draws from the Council of Trent (1545-1563), the First Vatican Council (1869-1870), and the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965).

While the Roman Catholics in their Publicity Campaigns and everywhere on the internet practically may allege things that are diametrically the exact opposite of what their actual beliefs are, so the question is:

"What does Roman Catholicism (RC) teach about how a person can be saved eternally?

"The RC view of salvation is derived from their beliefs about grace, justification, and the atonement, but are they biblical? The RC doctrines outlined below can be verified by the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994), which is considered a compendium of all Catholic doctrine."

"Roman Catholicism and grace"​

"Roman Catholicism views grace as a sanctifying, supernatural disposition or quality of the soul. God bestows this sanctifying grace on infants through the rite of baptism, which regenerates them and infuses them with the Holy Spirit. Adults obtain sanctifying grace when they respond to God’s temporary grace that helps them increase in faith and good works.

"Then, by observing the seven sacraments (Baptism, Confirmation, Eucharist, Penance, Anointing of the Sick, Holy Orders, Matrimony), God infuses more grace through these channels.

"This infusion of grace is the power to do good things that bring more grace, therefore grace is conditioned on merit. Grace is never an absolutely free and undeserved gift, but always obtained by various acts of obedience.

"Roman Catholicism and justification"​

"According to Roman Catholicism, justification removes original sin and transforms the soul to infuse more sanctifying grace. It is, therefore, a process that is never completed in this life.

"Justification begins at baptism and can be furthered by keeping the sacraments and doing other good works. Justification can be lost through mortal sin (serious sins like murder or adultery and others not clearly defined by the RC church), in which case the sinner must be justified again through the sacrament of confession to a priest and works of penance (doing deeds of contrition such as prayer, fasting, giving alms, or works of mercy).

"Roman Catholicism and atonement for sins."​

"The work of Christ on the cross atones (expiates, makes satisfaction to God) for sins, which is applied to RC infants through infant baptism. With RC adults the benefits of Christ’s atonement must be maintained through confession of sins to a priest who absolves the sinner conditioned on works of penance.

"In addition, it is essential to regularly observe the Mass, which is a continuing sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

"Since such rituals will not pay for all sins, suffering after death in purgatory is necessary to make additional atonement for sin and cleanse the soul."

"Roman Catholicism and assurance of salvation"​

"Since, according to RC, eternal life is a merited reward for doing good, and since it can be lost by neglecting the sacraments or committing a mortal sin, no one can know for certain if they have eternal life, even if they confess their sins and do works of penance.

"No one can know if they will persist in the necessary good works until the end of life, therefore full assurance of salvation is impossible."
 

Craigbythesea

Well-Known Member
You're asking me for documentation. That's great.

Catechism of the Catholic Church.
I wrote, “the doctrine of justification by faith alone came into the church through Roman Catholic scholars and that Roman Catholic Church teaches today justification by faith alone For example, ….”


Another good example is found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Article 2

GRACE AND JUSTIFICATION

I. Justification


1987 The grace of the Holy Spirit has the power to justify us, that is, to cleanse us from our sins and to communicate to us "the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ" and through Baptism:34

But if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him. For we know that Christ being raised from the dead will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves as dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.35

1988 Through the power of the Holy Spirit we take part in Christ's Passion by dying to sin, and in his Resurrection by being born to a new life; we are members of his Body which is the Church, branches grafted onto the vine which is himself:36

(God) gave himself to us through his Spirit. By the participation of the Spirit, we become communicants in the divine nature.... For this reason, those in whom the Spirit dwells are divinized.37

1989 The first work of the grace of the Holy Spirit is conversion, effecting justification in accordance with Jesus' proclamation at the beginning of the Gospel: "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."38 Moved by grace, man turns toward God and away from sin, thus accepting forgiveness and righteousness from on high. "Justification is not only the remission of sins, but also the sanctification and renewal of the interior man.39

1990 Justification detaches man from sin which contradicts the love of God, and purifies his heart of sin. Justification follows upon God's merciful initiative of offering forgiveness. It reconciles man with God. It frees from the enslavement to sin, and it heals.

1991 Justification is at the same time the acceptance of God's righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ. Righteousness (or "justice") here means the rectitude of divine love. With justification, faith, hope, and charity are poured into our hearts, and obedience to the divine will is granted us.

1992 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy. Its purpose is the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life:40

But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from law, although the law and the prophets bear witness to it, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins; it was to prove at the present time that he himself is righteous and that he justifies him who has faith in Jesus.41

1993 Justification establishes cooperation between God's grace and man's freedom. On man's part it is expressed by the assent of faith to the Word of God, which invites him to conversion, and in the cooperation of charity with the prompting of the Holy Spirit who precedes and preserves his assent:

When God touches man's heart through the illumination of the Holy Spirit, man himself is not inactive while receiving that inspiration, since he could reject it; and yet, without God's grace, he cannot by his own free will move himself toward justice in God's sight.42

1994 Justification is the most excellent work of God's love made manifest in Christ Jesus and granted by the Holy Spirit. It is the opinion of St. Augustine that "the justification of the wicked is a greater work than the creation of heaven and earth," because "heaven and earth will pass away but the salvation and justification of the elect . . . will not pass away."43 He holds also that the justification of sinners surpasses the creation of the angels in justice, in that it bears witness to a greater mercy.

1995 The Holy Spirit is the master of the interior life. By giving birth to the "inner man,"44 justification entails the sanctification of his whole being:

Just as you once yielded your members to impurity and to greater and greater iniquity, so now yield your members to righteousness for sanctification.... But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the return you get is sanctification and its end, eternal life.45
 

JesusFan

Well-Known Member
I have heard and read very many testimonies of “enlightenment” and/or “salvation” by religious people representing many different faiths—Christians, Jehovah’s witnesses, Mormons, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, and agnostics—and most of the testimonies have one thing in common, early in their conversion experience they read or heard something that “clicked” in their heads in a major way. From that point on, their ability to think objectively very rapidly decreased.

This phenomenon is especially common in persons coming from a less than meaningful Roman Catholic background and who read or hear “the doctrines of grace.” They suddenly “realize” that they were saved by grace alone and that the responsibility for their salvation is God’s rather than their own. They have no idea that the doctrine of justification by faith alone came into the church through Roman Catholic scholars and that Roman Catholic Church teaches today justification by faith alone For example,

The Saint Joseph Edition of the New American Bible (1971) has the following note on Rom. 3:21-31,

The justice of God is his mercy whereby he declares guilty man innocent and makes him so. He does this, not as a result of the law, but apart from it (v 21), not because of any merit of man, but through forgiveness of his sins (v 24) in virtue of the redemption wrought in Christ Jesus for all who believe (22-24f), No man can boast of his own holiness, since it is God’s free gift (27), both to the Jew who practices circumcision out of faith, and to the Gentile who accepts faith without the Old Testament religious culture symbolized by circumcision (29f).

The Saint Joseph Edition of the New American Bible with the second edition of the New Testament (1986) has the following note on Rom. 3:21-31,

These verses provide a clear statement of Paul’s “gospel,” i.e., the principle of justification by faith in Christ. God has found a means of rescuing humanity from its desperate plight: Paul’s general term for this divine initiative is the righteousness of God (21). Divine mercy declares the guilty innocent and makes them so. God does this not as a result of the law but apart from it (21), and not because of any merit in human beings but through forgiveness of their sins (24), in virtue of the redemption wrought in Christ Jesus for all who believe (22, 24-25). God has manifested his righteousness in the coming of Jesus Christ, whose saving activity inaugurates a new era in human history.

The Saint Joseph Edition of the New American Bible with the second edition of the New Testament (1986) has the following note on Rom. 4:3,

Jas 2, 24 appears to conflict with Paul’s statement. However, James combats the error of extremists who used the doctrine of justification through faith as a screen for moral self-determination. Paul discusses the subject of holiness in greater detail than does James and beginning with ch 6 shows how justification through faith introduces one to the gift of a new life in Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit.

(The New American Bible is a Roman Catholic Bible with Roman Catholic notes published by the Catholic Book Publishing Company in New York with both the Imprimatur and the Nihil Obstat.

Moreover, Thomas R. Schreiner, Professor of New Testament Interpretation at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, in his commentary on Romans in the Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament series, cites the 1993 commentary on Romans by Joseph A. Fitzmyer* about 450 times. Until his recent death, Fitzmyer was a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest and professor emeritus of biblical studies at the Catholic University of America in Washing, D.C. Today’s ultraconservative Protestant Biblical scholars recognize their counterparts in the Roman Catholic Church to be fine Christian scholars—and indeed, they are!

*Fitzmyer, Joseph A. Romans, A New Translation with Introduction and Commentary. The Anchor Bible series. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1993. 827 pages.

In his commentary on Romans, Fitzmyer supports the doctrine of justification by faith alone and provides a list of Romans Catholics scholars of yesteryear who also taught the doctrine of justification by faith alone.
Rome still denies Pauline Justification, as per Council of Trent
 
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