I think I found an argument to destroy the primacy of Darwinism

[Maurice Williams]

I am already on a forum and early on I posted a thread entitled A Christian rebuttal to Darwinian Evolution. I cited Genesis to refute almost every claim of Darwinism. I was shocked to get thirty-eight comments from readers, most of whom criticized me for actually believing Genesis. I did not expect that because I was writing to a Christian audience, I already knew that that the wicked world would classify me as a lunatic because I believed God created the world, but I did not expect that from a Christian website.

All the wind was knocked out of my sails, and I felt like quitting. Writing for a hostile audience requires more common sense than I have. But I decided not to quit. I was trying to defend God's own revelation of how He created man. Why should I quit? If I defend Jesus Christ I'm already in the right, and my critics ought to quit. The website I was on is Catholic Stand (www.catholicstand.com). I contribute 1 article a month, about two thousand words on any topic. My second contribution is the one that I got smacked down for.

So I rewrote my article this time arguing from Scripture and Church teaching rather than anthropology and microbiology, etc. It generated a hailstorm of criticism as well. So I thought I should just pretend I'm an early scientist and try to explain what I observe and spin a theory about it

Then I notice that Darwin only mentioned plants and animals as the two forms of life in the world. What!!! Isn't there also a spiritual form of life? Angels and Devils, good spirits and evil spirits, plus God Himself who is purely spiritual. Then I realized a way to debunk evolution based upon observation and common sense,

I don't know how many people came to this same realization. I'm posting this because I think anybody who feels humiliated by the big brains arguing evolution might do much better going on the offensive to knock down their presumed defense of evolution. Every human being knows there are spiritual beings and God revelation told of He creation of spiritual being.

I know most of you guys are Protestant and I am Catholic, but the spiritual war going on today is not about one sectarian group against another. It is about the whole wicked world against Jesus Christ. I argued against the Darwinists from a Catholic perspective. It might surprise you how similar it is to your arguments.

My third article was entitled "Darwinism's fatal flaw." My next article was about where did the Egyptians get the idea of reincarnation. My next article after that was entitled :The Prince of This World." and there are more article that I think has given evolutionist a difficult time.

I invite you to read some of these articles and let me know what you think of them And id evolutionists have made a monkey of you defending Scripture, it's time for you to turn the tables on them.

To pick up my articles type "www.catholicstand.com" "Maurice A. Williams."

Sincerely,

Maurice A. Williams

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

As you might have realized from the hailstorms of criticism, the primacy of godless Darwinism isn’t upheld by argument but by dogma and tradition established more than 150 years ago and bolstered throughout. The masses have been indoctrinated with this cultural paradigm and are now living it out in real time. Even those who know better, or should, imagine we should act as beasts rather than be governed by law and order.

 

[church mouse guy]

Evolution probably is a substitute religion.

 

[Maurice Williams]

Hello guys. I'm familiar with those who support Darwinism. I have been in contact with them for some time. We shouldn't give up because further discussion seems futile. And, of course, we shouldn't argue. But if we refuse to discuss the problem, the mistaken ideas of Darwinism will spread ever further among our children and loved ones.

When Darwin observed the world to understand man, he observed two kingdoms of life in the world. He did not notice spiritual beings. Why did he not notice it? Every race of man however sophisticated or primitive noticed it. All human beings presume we have both a physical nature and a spiritual nature.

That's why all humans have searched for God and most humans have searched for some form of resurrections, not to overlook that God is entirely spiritual. Ignoring this very important dimension of man has led to grievous errors in Darwinian explanation of man, and a great many men have already seen it and object to it.

That's why I'm posting this thread. Have any of you noticed it, Let me know. You can find my arguments on Catholic Stand and add my name Maurice A. Williams.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The point of my earlier post is that there are reasons people hold to godless Darwinism (excludes theistic evolution) that have nothing to do with argument, but rather presuppositions often held unconsciously, or uncritically. For example, the unfounded Humian notion that miracle is philosophically (and scientifically) impossible.

 

[Maurice Williams]

Of course. Any thought that is untrue entering the minds of human beings must be coming from the devil because God will only instill truth into their minds. And so will all the angels and, actually, so should all us human beings. So if untruth is prevalent in the world, we Christians know the source. The correction is to refuse to give credence to any thought that contradicts the teaching of Jesus and to hold firm to what He did teach.

 

[ad finitum]

Hello guys. I'm familiar with those who support Darwinism. I have been in contact with them for some time. We shouldn't give up because further discussion seems futile. And, of course, we shouldn't argue. But if we refuse to discuss the problem, the mistaken ideas of Darwinism will spread ever further among our children and loved ones.

When Darwin observed the world to understand man, he observed two kingdoms of life in the world. He did not notice spiritual beings. Why did he not notice it? Every race of man however sophisticated or primitive noticed it. All human beings presume we have both a physical nature and a spiritual nature.

That's why all humans have searched for God and most humans have searched for some form of resurrections, not to overlook that God is entirely spiritual. Ignoring this very important dimension of man has led to grievous errors in Darwinian explanation of man, and a great many men have already seen it and object to it.

That's why I'm posting this thread. Have any of you noticed it, Let me know. You can find my arguments on Catholic Stand and add my name Maurice A. Williams.

I congratulate you on Darwin's Fatal Flaw. It is so well written -- concise and cohesive. And since it is a Catholic forum, pointing out the spiritual nature of man, and mankind's universal recognition of this fact since the earliest times, is a brilliant, faith-factual approach. Any person claiming a Christian faith cannot deny the spiritual nature of man.

Thanks very much for sharing your great article. I think it's an inspired polemic.

 

[Maurice Williams]

I congratulate you on Darwin's Fatal Flaw. It is so well written -- concise and cohesive. And since it is a Catholic forum, pointing out the spiritual nature of man, and mankind's universal recognition of this fact since the earliest times, is a brilliant, faith-factual approach. Any person claiming a Christian faith cannot deny the spiritual nature of man.

Thanks very much for sharing your great article. I think it's an inspired polemic.

Thank you Ad Finitum,

Glad to find agreement in defense of our Lord's revelation that God is the creator of man and the whole universe. The wicked world has got us Christians so divided in personal opinions, that recognition of God is in danger of becoming a thing of the past. Nice to find a common rebuttal of evolution form separated brethren, After all, we all know who Jesus Christ is and we all know He is the only avenue of salvation for any human being.

Glad you read and agree with my article "Darwin's Fatal Flaw." I have several articles arguing against evolution on that website. The first one I wrote is "a Christian Rebuttal of Darwinian Evolution." I was shocked that so many readers on that website disagreed with me. I had thirty-eight comments that accused me of being a biblical literalist that I don't know the Christian faith and I don't know much about science.

I was tempted to quit, but I decided not to leave Jesus in the lurch and wrote a second article with the same name but argued from different reasons. I still got negative comments, so I wrote Darwin's Fatal Flaw. I followed up with an article about The Resurrection comparing Egyptians hopes in reincarnation to Adam and Eves' knowledge that they were created immortal but lost immortality when they listened to Satan and disobeyed God.

I wrote several more critical of evolution, especially in answering comments made on my articles. The reason I'm posting on your website is I realize the Darwinists have overwhelmed Christian influence in this country, and I want to provide a basis for all Christians to defend our Lord's own revelation so that his word of life can continue to reach others no matter where they are.

So thanks for reading my article and thanks for the positive review.

Maurice A. Williams

 

[Mathetes66]

Thanks, Maurice, for making a stand on the spiritual nature of mankind & their special creation vs the evolutionary myth. Evolutionary theory by definition excludes the supernatural & is only defined by the natural. So it is by definition contrary to the revelation God has given us in the Scriptures & what God has put within man's inner spiritual being that He exists & the display in creation showing His eternal power & Deity. (Romans 1:18ff) People are without excuse for not believing in supernatural creation & revelation. We will be held accountable for what we believe & follow.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

This was the beginning of time, matter & space. There was a definite beginning for all three.
God called things into existence that had never existed before. And as you have said, they were created MATURE. We know the chicken came before the egg!

Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.

John 1:1-5,10 In the beginning was the Word & the Word was with God & the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into existence through Him & without Him nothing was brought into existence that came to exist. 4In Him was life & the life was the light of men. 5And the light shines in the darkness & the darkness did not comprehend it...He was in the world & the world was made through Him & the world did not know Him.

Colossians 1:15-17 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by Him all things were created that are in heaven & that are on earth, VISIBLE & INVISIBLE, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him & for Him. 17And He is before all things & in Him all things consist.

Zech 12:1 The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth AND FORMS THE SPIRIT OF MAN WITHIN HIM...

I Thess 5:23,24 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely & may your whole spirit, soul & body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it.

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Gen 35:18 And so it was, as her soul was departing (for she died), that she called his name Ben-Oni; but his father called him Benjamin.

Prov 20:27 The spirit of a person is the lamp of the LORD, searching all the innermost parts of his being.

All human beings came from Adam & Eve. None existed before them.

Acts 17:22-27 Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; for as I was passing through & considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: God, who made the world & everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven & earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath & all things. FROM ONE MAN HE MADE ALL THE NATIONS, so that they should inhabit the whole earth & he marked out their appointed times in history & the boundaries of their lands, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him & find Him, though He is not far from each one of us...

Gen 3;20 And Adam named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother of all the living.

Isaiah 45:18 For this is what the LORD says— He who created the heavens, he is God; He who fashioned & made the earth, He founded it; He did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited— He says: “I am the LORD & there is no other.

God has done everything to show us, both inwardly & outwardly, that He is the Creator & man being made in His image & likeness is a spiritual being housed in an outer tent or body. It is time to continue to take a stand against the atheistic, naturalistic darkenened reasonings of man apart from relationship with the living God. It is the 'scandalon' of the gospel message we preach. Keep up the good fight of faith.

 

[Deacon]

Evolutionary theory by definition excludes the supernatural & is only defined by the natural. So it is by definition contrary to the revelation God has given us in the Scriptures & what God has put within man's inner spiritual being that He exists & the display in creation showing His eternal power & Deity. (Romans 1:18ff) People are without excuse for not believing in supernatural creation & revelation. We will be held accountable for what we believe & follow.

Evolutionary theory is a science: science is study of observable phenomena and processes.
It is essential to know what science is so that we may distinguish it from non-science.
Scientific knowledge is open to question. As new observations are collected, theories are revised, corrected or discarded and replaced by other theories that better explain the observed natural phenomena.

This being said, it is therefore quite right that evolutionary theories exclude supernatural explanations “by definition”.
But that doesn’t make a scientific theory wrong, it simply explains the limits of science.

Sometimes proposed theories are wrong. Quite commonly those that propose various theories introduce personal bias into the system. This is why repeatability is important; peer review with rigorous testing of a theory is essential. It discovers and corrects unintended (and intended) bias.

As Christians, we have a belief in a sovereign God—we also introduce a bias into science (such bias we believe, points us to a more appropriate conclusion).

This “God” bias is the very problem that materialistic evolutionist have with theistic evolutionists.
Theistic evolutionists insert a purposeful meaning into the equation and upset materialistic evolutionists to no end. Materialistic evolutionism is undirected and purposeless.

• Simply quoting Scripture to prove your point (as you have done), will not change the mind of those that believe evolutionary theory.
• And arguing science will not work either.

What you are having trouble with is called metaphysics, good luck!

Rob

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

But that still only tells part of the story.

There is a major difference between the pursuit of science and science itself, the latter being what is actually real, the former being the attempt to determine that reality. Too often these are confused, especially by those who have chosen to reject God.

Evolutionary theory proper, would seek to understand what God has done and how God did it, much like the early modern scientists did from the beginning, as they were believers in God, and realized there is no conflict between science and the Bible.

But evolutionary theory proper must also be limited to a time frame post creation, something adherents of materialism, naturalism, evolutionism, scientism, etc., are loath to do. This is why they must a priori reject all evidence of intelligent design as such.

There is nothing in science itself that could preclude intelligent design. But these do not respect their own supposed boundary, not because it goes beyond chemistry and physics but because it contradicts their metaphysics. They readily confuse studying the natural with there being only the natural.

 

[Mathetes66]

This “God” bias is the very problem that materialistic evolutionist have with theistic evolutionists.
Theistic evolutionists insert a purposeful meaning into the equation and upset materialistic evolutionists to no end. Materialistic evolutionism is undirected and purposeless.

• Simply quoting Scripture to prove your point (as you have done), will not change the mind of those that believe evolutionary theory.
• And arguing science will not work either.

What you are having trouble with is called metaphysics, good luck!

Rob

Simply quoting Scripture to prove your point (as you have done) will not change the mind of those that believe evolutionary theory is simply proven WRONG. Your apparent lack of faith is sad. I am a product of being changed myself, having been a biological science major in college. The Scriptures changed my mind & I became a spiritually born again follower of the Lord Jesus Christ & the teachings of Holy Scripture. It was a professor at the university who ran the Natural Museum there that helped & showed me from Scripture the errors in evolution, as a mature Christian and mentor.

One physical engineering student who ridiculed the Bible & touted natural science took my challenge to read the Bible & became a Christian & made sure to contact me & thank me for pointing him to the truth of Scripture. Another graduate student in electrical engineering had the same experience and so on. I remember discussing natural science with a man who had a master's in scientific theory (going for his PhD). After discussing back & forth for almost an hour, I silently prayed to the Lord for wisdom of what to say. The Spirit simply said, "Tell him the gospel." Of course Lord. I then shared the gospel with him & he continued to argue for about 5 minutes more then suddenly stopped and asked, "Can God really forgive you of your sins?"

'Arguing science will not work either.' Again in my case this has been proven wrong also. It depends on dealing with the underlying presupposition and assumptions & how one interprets the facts, especially in the dogmatic belief (not theory) of uniformitarianism and how modern examples of catastrophism & recent repeated, measurements have shown this dogma to be inaccurate & far off the actual truth.

I don't have a PROBLEM with metaphysics. Your assumption is once again incorrect.

Metaphysics is considered one of the four main branches of philosophy, along with epistemology, logic & ethics. Metaphysics is the study of ultimate cause in the universe. Metaphysics is the branch of philosophy that studies the fundamental nature of reality, the first principles of being, identity & change, space & time, causality, necessity & possibility. It includes questions about the nature of consciousness & the relationship between mind & matter, between substance & attribute & between potentiality & actuality. Modern metaphysics emphasizes the continuity of metaphysics with science. On this conception, metaphysics is primarily or exclusively concerned with developing generalizations from our best-confirmed scientific theories.

Modern scientific theory does maintain it is the ultimate cause in the universe, that it bests defines origins, the explanation of time, matter & space, etc. That is the lie of evolution. God is not a liar, He cannot lie. The devil is the father of lies, as Jesus taught & what greater lie to deny the universe is created by a Divine Creator than to say it all happened by change, luck & random aimless combinations of undirected forces that suddeny existed when there were none before that. No, I don't need good luck for that is the philosophy of someone who believes in naturalism rather than a living God who has given us the direct truth we can rely upon. He WAS THERE in the beginning & is still here to continue holding this present earth & heavens until He comes to judge the unbelief of those in rebellion to His truth & will establish a new heavens & a new earth for those who have repented & believed in the Lord Jesus Christ.

So the real problem is man is acting independent of His Creator & in rebellion to Him for the design God has placed upon him & this universe. The fool has said in his heart their is no God. The very universe is testimony of a Creator who both has created & is presently sustaining it.

 

[Reformed1689]

You mean other than the fact that Darwinism falls flat on its face both scientifically and logically?

 

[Centrist]

When I was in elementary school and learned about Darwin's theory, we were taught that the theory had been disregarded for a few decades. And that was in the 1970's, making it around the 50's-60's when it was disregarded. Also, just because one believes in Old Earth theory by no means means that one also believes in Darwin's theory. Also, I've always known Darwinism (not Darwin's theory, BTW) to describe the intelligence level of some people.