I thought Baptists followed scripture

[JonC]

Will you name three specific doctrines that Baptists preach that is not in the Bible?

I think that may depend on the preacher. We teach so many things (Baptist being a distinction).
So @Mur will not be able to provide an example of even one doctrine that Baptists preach which is not in the Bible without finding another Baotist who does not teach it.

For example, were he to point out that Baptists preach the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement, which is not in the text of Scripture, I would point out that William B. Johnson strongly opposed the theory.

William B. Johnson founded the South Carolina Baptist Convention and was its president for 27 years. He was a founder (the principle designer) of the Southern Baptist Convention and served as its first president. The first SBC statement of faith was in 1925, a time when the theory was gaining ground in US Baptist churches, but it was purposely written to avoid a stand either way (so as to include the theorists along with the traditionalists).

So for every doctrine he could produce that is not in the text if Scripture Baptists coukd be found who preach against it.

Baptist is not a denomination.

 

[Ben Yissaachar]

1. Jesus celebrated Passover early (so much for the exact day being critical).
2. The APOSTLE PAUL made it 100% clear that “it is not about days” (So you reject the Biblical teaching).
3. If it IS all about the resurrection … that was on a Sunday (first day of the week) … not a variable calendar.
4. Easter (the word) has NOTHING to do with Ishtar the goddess. It is the German word for “East” and was the name of the mass celebrated at dawn to commemorate the resurrection (the son rises in the east).

Jesus Kept the Passover on Passover, Biblical Days start at Evening and It was on Passover Evening, after telling His Disciples to Keep the Passover with the Bread and Fruit of the Vine, Then He was arrested He was Crucified on Passover Day, which is always fourteen days from the new moon Abib Exodus 12:2

1Corinthians 5:7
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:

1Corinthians 5:8
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Your traditions have made void the Word of God, and as Peter warned the unlearned twist Paul as they do all he scriptures. Paul was in a hurry that he might keep Pentecost in Jerusalem in Acts if you look it up.

I choose to live by the word of God, not a twisted version thereof

Jesus was Crucified on the Fourth Day _ His Body went into the tomb on the Fifth Day at evening Fifth Day, Sixth day Evening-Sixth Day Seventh Day Evening - Seventh Day.

Three Days and Three Nights

He Rose on the First Day while it was still Dark, could have been anytime after the sunset ending the seventh day.

John 20

1​	The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

The first day begins when the sun goes down, early referencing the evening portion which started after the sunset, ending the seventh day.

Since Passover can fall on any day of the week, and Firstfruits, the waving of the sheaves is always on the 1st day of the week following Passover, The time between Passover and Firstfruits varies from 1 to 6 days, Firstfruits Resurrection Day is the first day of the counting of the omer 50 days until Pentecost.

Wrong day for the resurrection wrong day for pentecost, the faith once delivered unto the saints is not found in the denominations of man. How Messiah is joined to His people is a Mystery not found in buildings.

 

[Salty]

4. Easter (the word) has NOTHING to do with Ishtar the goddess. It is the German word for “East” and was the name of the mass celebrated at dawn to commemorate the resurrection (the son rises in the east).

did an on-line translator - when I typed in "East" for English - the German translator was "OST" (West = Westen)
Then I went to Blue Bible - typed in "Easter" and this came up:

 

[Salty]

Protestants including Baptist follow the pope's decrees

Christmas became a formal part of the faith in the 4th century CE when the date of December 25 was chosen by Pope Julius to celebrate the birth of Jesus

The First Council of Nicaea (325) established easter observance for all Christians on the first Sunday after the first full moon on or after the vernal equinox.

1) Many believe that Christ was born about Oct. Scripture does not give an exact date. Since most of the Christian world celebrates on 25 Dec (I know Eastern does 6 Jan) - we celebrate in Dec. Not a big deal!

 

[JesusFan]

Some Baptists follow Scripture but most today hold a lot of reformed RCC doctrine and a lot of theories mixed in with Scripture.

Most Baptists I have encountered here object when I use God's Word and do not accept what men have taught them the Bible "really" teaches.

As far as universal salvation, unfortunately this is not present in "what is written". On a previous thread you assumed that all things being united in Christ means that all will be saved. But this was at the cost of passages stating that all will not be saved. That should have led you to question exactly how will all things be unified in Christ, but it didn't.

My point is we all have understandings that we should not lean on. Have opinions. But trust in every word that comes from God.

Trust that Christ will reconcile all things unto Himself while als trusting that the wicked will perish, that they will be cast into the Lake of Fire prepared for Satan and his demons which is the Second Death.

Then work on conforming your understanding to God's words (your understanding to what you lean upon).

No, we hold to what the scriptures teach regarding things such as Atonement, and we use other sources written by reformed and Baptists who also exegeted that belief straight from the scriptures themselves

 

[JesusFan]

Another Baptist pastor that gets it wrong about Catholics. Catholics DO claim their doctrines align with scripture and popes cannot change the dogma of the Church.

No, you affirms that the scriptures align up with your church tradition and dogmas, as Rome is is same boat as Sda with their Ellen White, as you force the bible to agree with your Dogmas and church tradition, so its how Rome interprets it, not hat it actually stated

 

[JonC]

No, we hold to what the scriptures teach regarding things such as Atonement, and we use other sources written by reformed and Baptists who also exegeted that belief straight from the scriptures themselves

Sorry....fixed the other post.

Anyway....you hold to what the men you have chosen tell you the Bible really teaches.

I believe that the Bible teaches the actual words of God. God is the One revealing Himself and His works in the Bible.

You do not believe God's actual words.

If you want to prove me wrong post God's words stating Jesus experienced God's.

You can't because your faith is not actually in God's words. It is an understanding some have about what is realky taught.


I urge you to pause and read the actual words if God before continuing down the path you have chosen.

 

[Cathode]

1. Jesus celebrated Passover early (so much for the exact day being critical).

Passover was a week of meals.

 

[Cathode]

Baptist is not a denomination.

Baptist’s are 65 denominations if the literature is right.

But in essence, every independent church that decides its doctrines and interpretations of scripture are denominations of themselves. So countless numbers.

What Baptists desperately need is a Pope to bring unity them all, and make definitive calls on interpretation and doctrine.

I see conventions and associations trying, but these aren’t like the ecumenical councils of the Early Church that definitively settled interpretations and doctrines for all time, long ago.

 

[Walter]

Baptist’s are 65 denominations if the literature is right.

But in essence, every independent church that decides its doctrines and interpretations of scripture are denominations of themselves. So countless numbers.

What Baptists desperately need is a Pope to bring unity them all, and make definitive calls on interpretation and doctrine.

I see conventions and associations trying, but these aren’t like the ecumenical councils of the Early Church that definitively settled interpretations and doctrines for all time, long ago.

You are correct. Although because of the polity of Baptist church, each one could disassociate with their particular convention (denomination) for any reason. If tou look at the Baptist Only section of the board it list the various Baptist 'denominations'. Their words, not mine.

Papacy for Baptist will be horrifying to them but you are right. Myriad of doctrines espoused by the many Baptist churches Only bring division and church splits. Everyone on this board has experienced them. It confuses new believers and drives others away. Many don't find another church where the division and fighting isn't (presently) taking place, they just discontinue attending altogether. I have a neighbor who left a Baptist church in the middle of a church fight and after a year now attending the Catholic Church with us. First thing they mentioned was that their was no discord in the congregation.

 

[JonC]

Baptist’s are 65 denominations if the literature is right.

But in essence, every independent church that decides its doctrines and interpretations of scripture are denominations of themselves. So countless numbers.

What Baptists desperately need is a Pope to bring unity them all, and make definitive calls on interpretation and doctrine.

I see conventions and associations trying, but these aren’t like the ecumenical councils of the Early Church that definitively settled interpretations and doctrines for all time, long ago.

Interesting. I would have thought it were more.

But yes, "Baptist" does not refer to a single denomination.

I disagree about needing a pope for unity. I do not believe we are to be united in doctrine (the churches in Acts were not united in doctrine). But I do believe we should be united in Christ (not only Baptist, but all Christians).

The associations and conferences are not, I agree, ecumenical councils. These do not have authority over the churches that choose to participate.


You see, I do believe that Scripture is our authority for doctrine.

This will lead to various interpretations, but these interpretations should be of God's Word rather than theiries about what the Bible may teach. Disagreement over interpretation includes recognizing the competing interpretation is a valid interpretation of the text itself but disagreeing that it is the correct one. So we, were this the case, would remain united in Christ, agreeing to disagre over interpretation. Abd this would not be a significant disagreement.

BUT we have Baptists who carry over pieces of Roman Catholic theology. Some of this they "re form" to fit their ideas. They claim to flow God's Word but they do not.

Taking pieces of Roman Catholic theogy divorced from Roman Catholicism simply does not work.

If I asked you why you believed something you may point to Scripture and a counsel or teaching of a pope. That would be fair because of your belief regarding the RCC authority.

If you ask a Baptist then they should give you passages stating what they believe because they claim Scripture as their authority. But many - most here - can't. They give you a verse or two then pages of writings from men telling you what the Bible really teaches.

They have many unofficial "popes", and their faith is sad because they claim to follow God's actual words.


I have much more respect for you than those Baptists because you are honest about your faith. You belueve the Bible as interpreted by the Roman Catholic Church. I disagree with you, but I respect you.

 

[rockytopva]

One accusing finger pointed forward
Four accusing fingers pointed back