"I went to heaven and came back" books

[annsni]

What are your thoughts and experiences with these books? I see that there are numerous ones on the market and I see Christians raving about them but in my opinion, they are at the very least wrong and at the worst dangerous. What say you?

 

[Doubting Thomas]

What are your thoughts and experiences with these books? I see that there are numerous ones on the market and I see Christians raving about them but in my opinion, they are at the very least wrong and at the worst dangerous. What say you?

I have never read any (though I was given a copy of one of these once). I do agree they could be potentially dangerous, especially if they suggest a generic universalist Christ-less 'heaven'.

 

[percho]

What are your thoughts and experiences with these books? I see that there are numerous ones on the market and I see Christians raving about them but in my opinion, they are at the very least wrong and at the worst dangerous. What say you?

Are these books written according to any concept derived from the word of God?

I think some are construed as near death experiences and others consider themselves to have died gone to heaven and returned.

Can this be according to the word of God?

The closest we have is Paul who even himself did know whether it was a vision or reality, caught up to the third heaven, and we have John in Revelation of which I think it is said is a vision.

Paul said, "How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

I believe Paul saw what John saw however Paul was not commissioned to write of it for he couldn't even speak of it.

In neither case did they consider themselves to have been dead. I do believe J V McGee thought Paul's might have occurred at a time he was left for dead. If this is true or not, I do not know.

None of the people who were resurrected from the dead in either the Old or New spoke on this matter including Jesus.

 

[annsni]

Are these books written according to any concept derived from the word of God?

I think some are construed as near death experiences and others consider themselves to have died gone to heaven and returned.

Can this be according to the word of God?

The closest we have is Paul who even himself did know whether it was a vision or reality, caught up to the third heaven, and we have John in Revelation of which I think it is said is a vision.

Paul said, "How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

I believe Paul saw what John saw however Paul was not commissioned to write of it for he couldn't even speak of it.

In neither case did they consider themselves to have been dead. I do believe J V McGee thought Paul's might have occurred at a time he was left for dead. If this is true or not, I do not know.

None of the people who were resurrected from the dead in either the Old or New spoke on this matter including Jesus.

PLUS from what I can read, there are some things in these books that contradict Scripture.

So the "Heaven is for Real" book where the little boy goes to heaven, the angels sing to him "Jesus Loves Me" while he sits in a little stool in front of Jesus and all of the focus is on him. I do believe that WE will not be the focus of heaven but the Lamb of God will be.

Then there's a book that I just looked at that someone recommended and he was not a believer but said that God loves us all and that heaven is waiting for us all when we die. Again - very anti-biblical.

I've heard Christians say "Oh, isn't this wonderful? See? There really IS a heaven!" But do we need humans to tell us this when God Himself told us??? I don't understand why we need more than Scripture as if it's not sufficient enough, you know?

 

[Yeshua1]

PLUS from what I can read, there are some things in these books that contradict Scripture.

So the "Heaven is for Real" book where the little boy goes to heaven, the angels sing to him "Jesus Loves Me" while he sits in a little stool in front of Jesus and all of the focus is on him. I do believe that WE will not be the focus of heaven but the Lamb of God will be.

Then there's a book that I just looked at that someone recommended and he was not a believer but said that God loves us all and that heaven is waiting for us all when we die. Again - very anti-biblical.

I've heard Christians say "Oh, isn't this wonderful? See? There really IS a heaven!" But do we need humans to tell us this when God Himself told us??? I don't understand why we need more than Scripture as if it's not sufficient enough, you know?

revelation from God ceased PERIOD after the book of revelation, as we have ALL that God intended to say to us regarding life after death, for the Apostle paul saw things that would have made the book of the year club, and been made into a major motion picture, but was forbidden to say anything by the Lord!

If jesus and paul did not 'spill the beans" any frther, doubt God decided to now reopen revealtion from heaven, especially since most of what is being written contridicts the bible!

 

[webdog]

Delusional at best, satanic at worst. Isn't it ironic that whover has one of these experiences must profit off of it by writing a book?

 

[Yeshua1]

Delusional at best, satanic at worst. Isn't it ironic that whover has one of these experiences must profit off of it by writing a book?

especially since God blocked Paul from publishing His heavenly revealtions in trhe Bible?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I find these "heaven" books problematic at best. I read an article which stated that moments before death there is a surge in brain wave activity which could account for these "out of body experiences".

 

[Yeshua1]

I find these "heaven" books problematic at best. I read an article which stated that moments before death there is a surge in brain wave activity which could account for these "out of body experiences".

ONLY one taht I would recommend would be life after death book by DR Marauice Rawlings, who was NOT a christian before his experience with a man dying and going back and forth between hell and living, became saved after that experience, and found out that there are many more Hell experiences after death than press would have you know!

 

[evangelist-7]

revelation from God ceased PERIOD after the book of revelation ...

Incredible spiritual ignorance such as this might just cause you to have a great downfall.

Or, iz you not referring to personal spiritual revelation from the Holy Spirit?

Thou had better dot your i's and cross your t's and make your points crystal clear.
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[annsni]

Incredible spiritual ignorance such as this might just cause you to have a great downfall.

Or, iz you not referring to personal spiritual revelation from the Holy Spirit?

Thou had better dot your i's and cross your t's and make your points crystal clear.
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There are new revelations?

 

[evangelist-7]

There are new revelations?

Maybe we're having a disconnect here ...
E.G. I'm NOT talking about things on a par with Scripture.

How's this little ditty grab you? ... sorry nothing rhymes:
Christians meeting in a town hall have grown to be 250 people.
They have money to build a church building.
They pray to the Lord for details about the building.
The Lord gives them those details.

Does this classify as "revelations" to you?
.

 

[annsni]

Maybe we're having a disconnect here ...
E.G. I'm NOT talking about things on a par with Scripture.

How's this little ditty grab you? ... sorry nothing rhymes:
Christians meeting in a town hall have grown to be 250 people.
They have money to build a church building.
They pray to the Lord for details about the building.
The Lord gives them those details.

Does this classify as "revelations" to you?
.

I don't see those as "revelations".

But back to the subject of the OP. Does God reveal more to us about heaven now that Scripture is closed? Does He reveal that which is actually opposed to Scripture?

Things like: When a child goes to heaven, the angels sing Jesus Loves Me to him while someone pulls a chair up to the throne so the little boy can sit in front of Jesus, God and an angel (I can't remember which one he said is sitting on the other side of God).

Or that everyone is loved and no one can do wrong - all will go to heaven?

That an unsaved person is taken into heaven and rides around on the wings of a butterfly with some woman?

I just don't see that as being remotely Biblical - even if it IS a new revelation (certainly not from God).

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't see those as "revelations".

But back to the subject of the OP. Does God reveal more to us about heaven now that Scripture is closed? Does He reveal that which is actually opposed to Scripture?

Things like: When a child goes to heaven, the angels sing Jesus Loves Me to him while someone pulls a chair up to the throne so the little boy can sit in front of Jesus, God and an angel (I can't remember which one he said is sitting on the other side of God).

Or that everyone is loved and no one can do wrong - all will go to heaven?

That an unsaved person is taken into heaven and rides around on the wings of a butterfly with some woman?

I just don't see that as being remotely Biblical - even if it IS a new revelation (certainly not from God).

Could be revelation, but probably from one who used to be the annoited Cherub who stood before the lord!

 

[Yeshua1]

Maybe we're having a disconnect here ...
E.G. I'm NOT talking about things on a par with Scripture.

How's this little ditty grab you? ... sorry nothing rhymes:
Christians meeting in a town hall have grown to be 250 people.
They have money to build a church building.
They pray to the Lord for details about the building.
The Lord gives them those details.

Does this classify as "revelations" to you?
.

God will direct us in situation, through the principles of the Bible, thru wisdom of godly persons, thru closing/openning doors, doubt that He will give one a blueprint of the building size/shape itself!

 

[Alcott]

"I went to heaven and came back" books
What are your thoughts and experiences with these books?

I don't know. What do those books which say they went to heaven say they did there?

 

[annsni]

"I went to heaven and came back" books
What are your thoughts and experiences with these books?

I don't know. What do those books which say they went to heaven say they did there?

The only one I read is Heaven is for Real. In it, it seemed through the whole thing, the little boy was the center of heaven. The angels sang Jesus Loves Me to him. He sat in a chair in front of the throne. It was about him. I just don't see that as consistent with the Scriptures. I don't think that we will be the center of the attention of heaven.

 

[Tom Bryant]

What are your thoughts and experiences with these books? I see that there are numerous ones on the market and I see Christians raving about them but in my opinion, they are at the very least wrong and at the worst dangerous. What say you?

They are mostly dangerous because of the reasons many have given. Although there was one i like: Revelation. :laugh: (couldn't resist)

 

[percho]

I don't see those as "revelations".

But back to the subject of the OP. Does God reveal more to us about heaven now that Scripture is closed? Does He reveal that which is actually opposed to Scripture?

Things like: When a child goes to heaven, the angels sing Jesus Loves Me to him while someone pulls a chair up to the throne so the little boy can sit in front of Jesus, God and an angel (I can't remember which one he said is sitting on the other side of God).

Or that everyone is loved and no one can do wrong - all will go to heaven?

That an unsaved person is taken into heaven and rides around on the wings of a butterfly with some woman?

I just don't see that as being remotely Biblical - even if it IS a new revelation (certainly not from God).

Several years ago there was a rather well known preacher who had died and several weeks afterward I was listening on the radio and someone who had known him was talking about how he missed him and so forth, but when on to talk about how he was now at the feet of Jesus and hearing Jesus tell him well done my good and faithful servant.

Would there be scriptural references which would show that scenario might have taken place? What are they?

Maybe that preacher is like the little child for whom they pulled up the chair.

 

[annsni]

Several years ago there was a rather well known preacher who had died and several weeks afterward I was listening on the radio and someone who had known him was talking about how he missed him and so forth, but when on to talk about how he was now at the feet of Jesus and hearing Jesus tell him well done my good and faithful servant.

Would there be scriptural references which would show that scenario might have taken place? What are they?

Maybe that preacher is like the little child for whom they pulled up the chair.

This definitely didn't have any sense of that at all. I don't have the book anymore but it was that he had a chair pulled up to sit near Jesus - not to be spoken to about judgment or anything. At one point, he sits in Jesus' lap and says that Gabriel sits on God's left hand. He says that everyone in heaven has wings too.