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[HAMel]

I was speaking with another this morning regarding James 5:14.

His position on this is that most people often take it out of context..., further stating this verse refers to those who are sick, the result of sin.

His position is that a person who becomes ill, due to sin in their lives, the illness is a result of our Lord trying to get that person's attention. That most people only focus on the physical illness vice the spiritual illness.

But I notice in verse 15, in part, "and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him."

Then again, verse 16, we are to "Confess your faults."

I understand all of the above to mean that if one is physically sick they can call on the elders for prayer; and in the process sins will be forgiven; and, of lesser importance regarding the full context here, there is a vast difference between "sins" and "faults".

So, I'm seeking your position and insights on all of the above but specifically, regarding the intended context of verse 14.

 

[annsni]

My husband practices James 5 praying for the sick. He's done it with our own daughter when she was critically ill. He will go to them and ask them if they have unconfessed sin after reading the passage and if they do, he tells them to confess it to God (not to him) and pray for forgiveness. He then will ask them if they wish to be anointed with oil and the answer has always been "yes". He then will do the anointing, pray with the sick person and then leave.

In the case of my daughter, she was healed.

In the case of the man who had cancer, he was not healed.

Neither one had unconfessed sin that they could think of.

I DO think that sin can cause physical illness but not all physical illness is born of sin. So dealing with unconfessed sin is important because that takes out one possible cause of the illness - but it doesn't guarantee that one will be healed.

 

[HAMel]

annsni, I can understand where some healing just won't happen if it's not to be.
Glad for your daughter!

 

[annsni]

annsni, I can understand where some healing just won't happen if it's not to be.
Glad for your daughter!

So am I!! Trust me, so am I!

 

[Iconoclast]

I was speaking with another this morning regarding James 5:14.

His position on this is that most people often take it out of context..., further stating this verse refers to those who are sick, the result of sin.

His position is that a person who becomes ill, due to sin in their lives, the illness is a result of our Lord trying to get that person's attention. That most people only focus on the physical illness vice the spiritual illness.

But I notice in verse 15, in part, "and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him."

Then again, verse 16, we are to "Confess your faults."

I understand all of the above to mean that if one is physically sick they can call on the elders for prayer; and in the process sins will be forgiven; and, of lesser importance regarding the full context here, there is a vast difference between "sins" and "faults".

So, I'm seeking your position and insights on all of the above but specifically, regarding the intended context of verse 14.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

 

[Yeshua1]

I was speaking with another this morning regarding James 5:14.

His position on this is that most people often take it out of context..., further stating this verse refers to those who are sick, the result of sin.

His position is that a person who becomes ill, due to sin in their lives, the illness is a result of our Lord trying to get that person's attention. That most people only focus on the physical illness vice the spiritual illness.

But I notice in verse 15, in part, "and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him."

Then again, verse 16, we are to "Confess your faults."

I understand all of the above to mean that if one is physically sick they can call on the elders for prayer; and in the process sins will be forgiven; and, of lesser importance regarding the full context here, there is a vast difference between "sins" and "faults".

So, I'm seeking your position and insights on all of the above but specifically, regarding the intended context of verse 14.

whose faith though is being referenced here? the person asking for a physical healing, or the elders themselves?

I take it that God can do both a physical and spiritual healing, depending upon His Will!

 

[HAMel]

Wow..., 206 views on this topic resulting with very limited response?

Okay.

 

[Yeshua1]

Wow..., 206 views on this topic resulting with very limited response?

Okay.

Some here would say its due to we baptists not having the 'Full Gospel", so we dont know about healing!

 

[HAMel]

Some here would say its due to we baptists not having the 'Full Gospel", so we dont know about healing!

Yeshua1, I personally do not care for so-called "Faith Healers". The Apostles were granted this Gift of Healing but that era is long gone but I do believe that our Lord can and will heal if He so desires.

With regard to this thread..., silence speaks louder than words.

 

[Yeshua1]

Some here would say its due to we baptists not having the 'Full Gospel", so we dont know about healing!

Yeshua1, I personally do not care for so-called "Faith Healers". The Apostles were granted this Gift of Healing but that era is long gone but I do believe that our Lord can and will heal if He so desires.

With regard to this thread..., silence speaks louder than words.

I agree with you. my remarks were towards those here who seem to hold to most baptists are denying the "full Gospel" message!

 

[HAMel]

I agree with you. my remarks were towards those here who seem to hold to most baptists are denying the "full Gospel" message!

I suspected your intent here.

A couple of weeks ago I had opportunity to study the word(s) "cry" unto the Lord. There are a few different ways to "cry" unto the Lord for which most of us never do. So, I tried it and you know what...? It works. Praise the Lord!!!

The "thorn in the side" is a clear example of the Lord being lifted up the result of our weakness, infirmities, etc., as His Grace is sufficient. At the same time He still desires that we "cry" out.

Anyway, thank you for your input here.

 

[tgweech]

Well, obviously, Christ is the Great Physician, and He has written His Word... so James 5 is really a command, not an option for the church to practice. There is nothing for instance with saving value with water in baptism, but Christ said to do it. Naaman would still have leprosy if he did not dip in the water seven times. So, the faith is in the actual part of both parties praying, confessing, and doing what God says to do. Sometimes, the healing is done in taking home to heaven, though. It's important to realize that.

 

[Rex77]

I have found that the best way in life is to leave it to the Lord to make the choices and to pray and mean it “For what I am about to receive make me truly thankful”.

As the Lord saves the best to those who leave the choice to him.

This applies to healing also.

I was in an car accident in 1964 when I came to I prayed Lord if you want me I’m ready , then I had a real assurance no not yet.
The doctors told my wife I would not make it and if I did I would be a vegetable.
Unbeknown to me my pastor anointed me and prayed for healing.

That was an act of faith on his part but I already knew I was going to recover. So I believe his prayer was answered before he prayed.

3 weeks later I was back at work. So the Lord still had work for me to do here on earth.

 

[Berean]

I was speaking with another this morning regarding James 5:14.

His position on this is that most people often take it out of context..., further stating this verse refers to those who are sick, the result of sin.

His position is that a person who becomes ill, due to sin in their lives, the illness is a result of our Lord trying to get that person's attention. That most people only focus on the physical illness vice the spiritual illness.

But I notice in verse 15, in part, "and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him."

Then again, verse 16, we are to "Confess your faults."

I understand all of the above to mean that if one is physically sick they can call on the elders for prayer; and in the process sins will be forgiven; and, of lesser importance regarding the full context here, there is a vast difference between "sins" and "faults".

So, I'm seeking your position and insights on all of the above but specifically, regarding the intended context of verse 14.

This sounds familiar, could this be from Kenneth Hagen?

 

[HAMel]

Good for you Rex77.

In response to you, Berean, I've made it a courtesy and a habit to attach links to everything I provide that originates from another.

...sorry, but my comment and question at the beginning of this thread came from me.

 

[Yeshua1]

This sounds familiar, could this be from Kenneth Hagen?

I hope not, for he was a false teacher who had "revelations"l from a dubious source!