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ICE Director: No Illegal Immigrant Should ‘Be Comfortable’

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WASHINGTON — Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director Thomas Homan said at a White House press briefing Wednesday that no illegal immigrant should “be comfortable” in the U.S.

Homan was at the briefing with U.S. Attorney John Huber to support two anti-illegal immigration bills that Congress is set to vote on. One of the bills will not allow jurisdictions that refuse to comply with immigration detainers to receive grants from the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice. The other bill would increase the punishments for a deported illegal immigrant who returns to the U.S.

ICE Director: No Illegal Immigrant Should ‘Be Comfortable’
 
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I disagree when it comes to the incarceration of these illegals. Any illegal not provided with the rights of a citizen of the USA should then be granted the rights provided by the Geneva Conventions.

The rules and protocols of the Conventions are complex but they all call for human decency and the same respect we would have for our own prisoners in alien hands.

This of course doesn't mean ridiculous doctrines such as "sanctuary cities" or "catch and release" but basic provision for human life.

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HankD said:
I disagree when it comes to the incarceration of these illegals. Any illegal not provided with the rights of a citizen of the USA should then be granted the rights provided by the Geneva Conventions.

The rules and protocols of the Conventions are complex but they all call for human decency and the same respect we would have for our own prisoners in alien hands.

This of course doesn't mean ridiculous doctrines such as "sanctuary cities" or "catch and release" but basic provision for human life.

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I agree right up until we seen their backsides home. Which should be immediately.
 
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HankD said:
That is why I said it should be used.

ISIS terrorists however may actually be subject to the conventions as they have declared war on us MANY time
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No, they have not, because they are not able to.
They have not "declared war"....not in the legal sense that civilized nations declare war upon one another.
Civilized nations "declare war" as a point of diplomatic and legal status.

The United States "declares war" upon France or Great Britain...
It does not "Declare War" upon ISIS.
ISIS does not "Declare War" upon the U.S.
We have no Ambassadorial status with ISIS nor they us.

Spain "Declares War" upon Portugal or Germany.
Godless thugs are just brutal beasts with no concern for conventions like the Geneva Convention; which was formed by lawful and diplomatically recognized nations with legal status as an agreement between one another.

The Geneva Convention was born in, and reflects the imaginations of civilized nations who actually bother to officially "Declare War" (as a diplomatic status). It involves a recognized diplomat with Ambassadorial status officially changing the legal posture of one nation against another. That is, a civilized nation which recognizes such states of affairs.

This is what is wrong with the extreme Libertarian fetishists.....they think no civilized nation can eradicate lawless pirates without some phantasm they call a "declaration of war".

But, a "declaration of war" is a change of legal stance from one civilized nation towards another.

We don't recognize "ISIS" as a Government with whom we have diplomatic negotiations. We have no Ambassador to them, they are not signatories to the Geneva Convention. We don't recognize them.

Basically, the G.V. is obsolete:

Spain doesn't declare war on France anymore, nor does the U.S. "declare War" on Spain like we did 150 years ago.
Libertarians have no concept of Rule of Law because they are ignorant anti-nomians who don't understand the Constitution of the United States or the historical context in which it is written.

Libertarians think the sum total of the Constitution was to enshrine forever the right of every man to swim in a mental sea of drug addled, drug induced stupidity. You may not be one, but, they have been the ones who seem to have taught you what the meaning of the Constitution, and it's power to declare war is. They're too busy dreaming in drugs to learn what a "declaration of war" is.

Let me put it differently:
Everything wrong with the extreme Libertarian is their failure to understand and appropriately respect and apply the Constitution of the United States.
It's nowhere more obvious than in their complete ignorance of what a "Declaration of War" means.

Congress "Declares War".
Presidents have the Constitutional duty and power to use the military to combat piracies ....That's where ISIS would fit in in any country founded upon Rule of Law.
We don't "declare war" on illegal immigrants.

Nor are we in, every will be, or ever COULD be, in a status of diplomatically "declared war" with illegal immigrants...

What I said was beyond true......The Geneva Convention is irrelevant.
 
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HeirofSalvation said:
No, they have not, because they are not able to.
They have not "declared war"....not in the legal sense that civilized nations declare war upon one another.
Civilized nations "declare war" as a point of diplomatic and legal status.

The United States "declares war" upon France or Great Britain...
It does not "Declare War" upon ISIS.
ISIS does not "Declare War" upon the U.S.
We have no Ambassadorial status with ISIS nor they us.

Spain "Declares War" upon Portugal or Germany...
Godless thugs are just brutal beasts with no concern for conventions like the Geneva Convention. Which was formed by lawful and recognized nation with legal status as an agreement between one another.

The Geneva Convention was born in the imaginations of civilized nations who actually bother to officially "Declare War" (as a diplomatic status). It involves a recognized diplomat with Ambassadorial status officially changing the legal posture of one nation against another. That is, a civilized nation which recognizes such states of affairs.

This is what is wrong with the extreme Libertarian fetishists.....they think no civilized nation can eradicate lawless pirates without some "declaration of war".....

But, a "declaration of war" is a legal stance from one civilized nation towards another.

We don't recognize "ISIS" as a Government with whom we have diplomatic negotiations. We have no Ambassador to them, they are not signatories to the Geneva Convention. We don't recognize them..........Basically, the G.V. is obsolete:
Spain doesn't declare war on France anymore, nor does the U.S. "declare War" on Spain like we did 150 years ago...
Libertarians just have no concept of Rule of Law because they are ignorant anti-nomians who don't understand the Constitution of the United States or the historical context in which it is written.

Let me put it differently:
Everything wrong with the extreme Libertarian is their failure to understand and appropriately respect and apply the Constitution of the United States.
It's nowhere more obvious than in their complete ignorance of what a "Declaration of War" means.

Congress "Declares War".
Presidents use the military to combat piracies
We don't "declare war" on illegal immigrants.

Nor are we at a state of diplomatically "declared war" with illegal immigrants...

What I said was beyond true......The Geneva Convention is irrelevant.
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OK that's your opinion and you have defended it very well.

Still, I am not convinced. IMO It is not irrelevant.

The conventions are IMO a humane regulatory system by which we should treat our fellow earth inhabitants (terrorist and uncivilized though they may be) who who are not protected by the COTUS, who in their uncivilized way either by word and/or deed have declared war on us.

Have the last word brother.

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HankD said:
OK that's your opinion and you have defended it very well.

Still, I am not convinced. IMO It is not irrelevant.

The conventions are IMO a humane regulatory system by which we should treat our fellow earth inhabitants (terrorist and uncivilized though they may be) who who are not protected by the COTUS, who in their uncivilized way either by word and/or deed have declared war on us.

Have the last word brother.

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I don't disagree that the spirit of treating people humanely should be followed, which the GV exemplifies. You're right brother. It's just that the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to illegal immigrants. It doesn't apply to our own criminals either. That's really my only point. We treat them humanely, because it's the right thing to do, but, I just don't see how the GV is relevant. That's all, have a great day brother ;)
 
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HankD said:
That is why I said it should be used.

ISIS terrorists however may actually be subject to the conventions as they have declared war on us MANY times.

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Only those who have signed on the the Geneva Convention are qualified for those standards.
 
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I will say this being a veteran - I don't want any soldier not even an ISIS degenerate to be be mistreated and they need some kind of codified law or body of regulations to protect them until they are convicted/sentenced.

If they are guilty to the degree of death, then a quick and humane death.

HankD
 
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HankD said:
I will say this being a veteran - I don't want any soldier not even an ISIS degenerate to be be mistreated and they need some kind of codified law or body of regulations to protect them until they are convicted/sentenced.

If they are guilty to the degree of death, then a quick and humane death.

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Nice way to drag a thread off track
 
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Revmitchell said:
Nice way to drag a thread off track
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ICE Director: No Illegal Immigrant Should ‘Be Comfortable’

My posts talked directly to the subject with the focus on the worst of the illegal immigrants - radical islamic terrorists.

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HankD said:
I will say this being a veteran - I don't want any soldier not even an ISIS degenerate to be be mistreated and they need some kind of codified law or body of regulations to protect them until they are convicted/sentenced.

If they are guilty to the degree of death, then a quick and humane death.

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I am a veteran of the United States Marine Corps..
I was an infantryman specifically assigned to the secondary M.O.S. of 8152 anti-terrorism security. and 8154 Close Quarters Battle Instructor.
I spent my four years battling terrorism.

No phrase ever uttered by mortal man infuriates me more than the self-honoring, self-congratulatory, self-absorbed phrase...

"As a veteran".

The second I hear the welfare-queen inspired phrase: "as a veteran" I shut down immediately, and do not listen.

I don't speak "as a veteran".
My opinions don't exist "as a veteran".

There are now hundreds of thousands of veterans Hank...and many of them are selfish welfare queens no more sacrificial than anyone else on the planet.
Veterans are some of the most entitled "gimme, gimme" types this now tortured nation has.
They make me sick.

I also worked for 10 years in construction amongst hard-working men struggling to pay basic taxes, feed their families and stay healthy....some were "veterans" some weren't.

I have ten times more respect for the tax-paying working American man than some random "veteran", which may mean nothing more than some Air Force yeoman who spent 4 years in Colorado pushing paper....

My opinions are based on normal human decency, the Word of God and what is right and wrong....I don't shape my opinion based on some unanswerable "veteran status" which makes me therefore immune to criticism. I'm as subject to criticism in my opinions as you are. And your proclaimed status as "veteran" protects you from criticism as much as the term "welfare queen" or "thug".

If you really SERVED this nation.....than you don't think yourself more entitled than anyone else, or your opinions more relevant.
If you really SERVED than you don't walk around demanding everyone respect and adhere to your opinions because you got tax-payer funded hot meals, shelter, clothing, medical care, dental care, pre-natal care, retirement, V.A. appointments, V.A. loans, Veterans home tax immunity (such as in my state) extra consideration for Federal jobs, V.A.dissability etc..etc...etc...etc...etc....
I worked for a decade with hard-working crusty construction workers (many of whom were veterans) who broke their backs wishing they could afford medical insurance, dental insurance, care for their wives and kids etc......
all free for "veterans".
The biggest welfare queens I know are whiny veterans thinking the Universe owes them.

I'm so sick of that.

I joined the Marine Corps Infantry for one reason....
A poster....




A poster with a screaming drill-Instructor saying "We don't promise you a Rose Garden"
You serve because you owe it to your home and family.
You serve because it's your job to protect your Country.
You serve because it's your duty.
You serve because you are a MAN.

You don't serve because you think everyone must subsequently cow-tow to every word you speak because you were a Navy Cook or Air Force "Administration Specialist" for four years.

We don't torture people because we understand that humans were made in the image of God, and we don't need to be "veterans" to know that.

We don't apply the Geneva Convention to illegal immigrants, because it's legally irrelevant, and we don't need to be "veterans" to know that.

We don't torture our own criminals not because of the Geneva Convention, but because they are humans made in the image of God, and we don't need to be "veterans" to know that.

We don't form opinions based upon whether we were or were not at one point in the military because right is right and wrong is wrong regardless of who speaks or who suggests certain truths, and we don't need to be "veterans" to know that.

Illegal aliens are criminals by default.
Illegal aliens should not be comfortable breaking our laws.
Illegal aliens are not enemy combatants to whom the Geneva Convention applies.
Illegal aliens should not feel that Hank will protect them because "he's a 'veteran' ".

We are a Nation of LAW, and I love that law.
I'm a veteran because I want to protect that law, and everyone to whom it applies.
But, my opinions are no more noteworthy, respectable, or immune to criticism because of my veteran status.

Neither are yours.
 
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Too bad you feel the way you do HOS to call us who served "Welfare Queens".

As a veteran you should know better marine.

Just so you'll know I served my tour of duty on the Ballistic Missile Early Warning System (BMEWS) reaching from upstate NY to Thule Greenland during the Vietnam Conflict.

No I saw no combat but we did save lives. Air Force, Navy, Marine, Army, Coast Guard "Welfare Queens" or not.

Nonetheless I don't really care what you call me, but how dare you sir as a United States Marine look down your nose at a Navy cook or an Air Force "Administration Specialist".
What? You wouldn't watch the back of a Navy Cook?

Talk about being self-honoring, self-congratulatory and self-absorbed.
Take a good look at yourself Marine.

Are you really a veteran?

HankD
 
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