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[HeirofSalvation]

Too bad you feel the way you do HOS to call us who served "Welfare Queens".

As a veteran you should know better marine.

Just so you'll know I served my tour of duty on the Ballistic Missile Early Warning System (BMEWS) reaching from upstate NY to Thule Greenland during the Vietnam Conflict.

No I saw no combat but we did save lives. Air Force, Navy, Marine, Army, Coast Guard "Welfare Queens" or not.

Nonetheless I don't really care what you call me, but how dare you sir as a United States Marine look down your nose at a Navy cook or an Air Force "Administration Specialist".
What? You wouldn't watch the back of a Navy Cook?

Talk about being self-honoring, self-congratulatory and self-absorbed.
Take a good look at yourself Marine.

Are you really a veteran?

HankD

Hank, I didn't call veterans "welfare queens". I said that many of them are. I said that because many veterans are whiny, entitled welfare queens.
I don't say that "as a veteran". I don't say anything "as a veteran", any more than I say anything "as a gen-Xer", "as a male", or anything else.
I don't look down my nose at cooks (who are often incredibly hard-working) or Admin specialists but they aren't super-heroes just by the rote fact that they served at some point in their lives.
Their opinions are no more significant than those of the wives and mothers who care for loved ones in the military and their children. Or the wonderful people who volunteered at the USO.
I said nothing to imply I wouldn't watch their back either. Of course I would.
I wouldn't need to be a veteran to do that either.
I don't need to be a veteran to be against torture.
I don't say anything "as a veteran". That status is ancillary and incidental to what I believe. It should be for everyone. And it does not make my opinion more significant than another person's. A statement's truth is found in whether it corresponds to reality. Not the source of who suggested it or said it.
Nothing you say is either more or less true because you believe it "as a veteran". Did it alter your brain chemistry? Did it grant you power to change moral law? Are we now lords of international legal affairs because we are veterans?
If not, then what, exactly, does "as a veteran" mean?

Yes, as I said I was a Marine infantryman and antiterrorism security specialist.
I still think a lot of veterans NOT ALL are whiny welfare queens too.

I don't say that "as a veteran". I say it because I think it's true.

 

[HankD]

Hank, I didn't call veterans "welfare queens". I said that many of them are. I said that because many veterans are whiny, entitled welfare queens.
I don't say that "as a veteran". I don't say anything "as a veteran", any more than I say anything "as a gen-Xer", "as a male", or anything else.
I don't look down my nose at cooks (who are often incredibly hard-working) or Admin specialists but they aren't super-heroes just by the rote fact that they served at some point in their lives.
Their opinions are no more significant than those of the wives and mothers who care for loved ones in the military and their children. Or the wonderful people who volunteered at the USO.
I said nothing to imply I wouldn't watch their back either. Of course I would.
I wouldn't need to be a veteran to do that either.
I don't need to be a veteran to be against torture.
I don't say anything "as a veteran". That status is ancillary and incidental to what I believe. It should be for everyone. And it does not make my opinion more significant than another person's. A statement's truth is found in whether it corresponds to reality. Not the source of who suggested it or said it.
Nothing you say is either more or less true because you believe it "as a veteran". Did it alter your brain chemistry? Did it grant you power to change moral law? Are we now lords of international legal affairs because we are veterans?
If not, then what, exactly, does "as a veteran" mean?

Yes, as I said I was a Marine infantryman and antiterrorism security specialist.
I still think a lot of veterans NOT ALL are whiny welfare queens too.

I don't say that "as a veteran". I say it because I think it's true.

Thanks for the clarification Bro.
Thank you for being ready to give your life for your country.

IMO, sometimes people need to see "as a veteran" to let them know an opinion from a past or present military status POV.

Past administrations and certain cultural circles are/were not so kind to us no matter the role we played and I believe we need to heal those wounds as well as those caused by bullets, shrapnel, etc.

Hey, ya, I whined on occasion


HankD

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Thanks for the clarification Bro.
Thank you for being ready to give your life for your country.

IMO, sometimes people need to see "as a veteran" to let them know an opinion from a past or present military status POV.

Past administrations and certain cultural circles are/were not so kind to us no matter the role we played and I believe we need to heal those wounds as well as those caused by bullets, shrapnel, etc.

Hey, ya, I whined on occasion


HankD

lol......yeah we whined. If we weren't complaining we weren't happy. And some of the older vets, (specifically Vietnam era) are owed some extra appreciation because of the often vile treatment they received. Some of these younger folks, well, they tend to sorta milk the disability sometimes...(a lot really) and that just gets on my nerves.

And you are probably right that "as a veteran" can lend context to certain opinions.
Anyway, thank you for your service Hank, and sorry Rev. for taking your thread utterly off track

 

[HankD]

lol......yeah we whined. If we weren't complaining we weren't happy. And some of the older vets, (specifically Vietnam era) are owed some extra appreciation because of the often vile treatment they received. Some of these younger folks, well, they tend to sorta milk the disability sometimes...(a lot really) and that just gets on my nerves.

And you are probably right that "as a veteran" can lend context to certain opinions.
Anyway, thank you for your service Hank, and sorry Rev. for taking your thread utterly off track

It turned out OK.
Yes, I was almost afraid to wear the uniform on leave because when we got to the city (Boston) we were roundly and loudly insulted. But, out of the urban areas I never had to try very long when hitch hiking in uniform.

HankD