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If America was a Christian nation
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KenH
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There has never been a so-called Christian nation and never will be one.
Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
VDMA
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I agree … I do not believe American was never a “Christian nation” or really truly Christian. Early on it was heavily influenced by Judeo-Christian beliefs—yes. Truly Christian—no.
Reminds me of Catholic churches on any Sunday besides Christmas and Easter...
RighteousnessTemperance&
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That meme assumes people live as far from their churches as their places of work, that churches are mainly in business districts rather than residential neighborhoods, that spouses don’t attend the same church, and that kids go to a different church as well.
It also assumes the statement means something it doesn’t mean.
It also assumes the statement means something it doesn’t mean.
What constitutes a "so-called Christian nation"? Are there certain standards that must be met, which you can personally access before people can make that claim? Would 51% qualify according to your standards? Or do you have another % in mind?
IMO, the closest to that would be any country where the gospel is freely preached.
KenH
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At a minimum, it would mean that at least a majority of the population had been chosen by God before the world began to have their sins atoned by Christ and to have been brought under the hearing of the gospel of Christ, to have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit to look to Christ as the Lord our Righteousness, to have had their sins imputed(charged) to Christ and His perfect righteousness imputed(charged to them), to have been granted the gift of repentance faith toward God and from dead works, and granted the gift of repentance toward Christ.
Even then, the elect are still in the flesh and buffeted about from without Satan and within by their own sins, and by no means would be able to put forth a perfect nation that would be free from the maladies we have seen among mankind throughout history.
We have never seen such a regenerated majority of people in a nation in history and we have no reason to expect to ever see such a nation now or in the future.
"Nevertheless, when the son of man cometh; either to destroy Jerusalem, or to judge the world: shall he find faith on the earth? either in the land of Judea, the believers being removed from thence, and scattered among the Gentiles, and not a man, at least in Jerusalem, that had any faith in Jesus, as the Messiah; or in the world at the last day: there will then be little of the doctrine of faith, and less of the grace of faith, and still less of the exercise of faith, particularly in prayer, and especially about the coming of Christ; it will be little thought of, and expected, or faith little exercised about it." - from John Gill's Bible commentary on Luke 18:8
Overall, we have Jesus' own words that only a few are in the narrow way and that many are in the broad way.
Regarding the OP, it's the reverse in my community. Our roads are most busy on Monday thru Saturday. They are least busy on Sundays when everybody and their grandma (literally) are at Church and the vast majority of people refrain from doing commercial business.
We have extremely high Church attendance rates in Appalachia because we are an overtly Christian region and culture. We are the backbone of the Bible belt where God's moral laws are enforced through peer pressure and cultural norms and I expect we retain some of the largest amount of the "foundational" Christian culture of the 13 colonies. Kim Davis refusing to sign marriage documents for the 2 gays in Kentucky is an example of this.
Something akin to this at the National level is a goal of mine and my Church members. Many of us are Christian theonomists.
We have extremely high Church attendance rates in Appalachia because we are an overtly Christian region and culture. We are the backbone of the Bible belt where God's moral laws are enforced through peer pressure and cultural norms and I expect we retain some of the largest amount of the "foundational" Christian culture of the 13 colonies. Kim Davis refusing to sign marriage documents for the 2 gays in Kentucky is an example of this.
Something akin to this at the National level is a goal of mine and my Church members. Many of us are Christian theonomists.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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A much bigger problem is that many Christian churches aren't Christian in the sense that some want to define it.
Note: Going to church doesn't make one a Christian or prove one is a Christian. (Another jab at the meme.)
Note: Going to church doesn't make one a Christian or prove one is a Christian. (Another jab at the meme.)
You realize you live in "Brigadoon"... don't you?!
Not at all. The only word I know that sounds like that is brigand, or brigadier.You realize you live in "Brigadoon"... don't you?!
Absolutely 0 idea what "Brigadoon" unless it's a special word from the Old Country.
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