If election insures Salvation How and why?

[Pastor Larry]

Doesn't that conflict with your doctrine of Total depravity?

[/qb]No ... I have no idea what you are talking about.

How is man able to do that?

Able to do what?

[qb]If God elects, and God imputes, and God reveals, why is there such diversity of opinion among God's people on what God says?

Because there is sin in the world and the human mind is affected by sin (noetic affects of sin). God has not seen fit to overrule all of that.

Unless, of course, you believe that God only reveals the truth to you and other Calvinists...which would, by all rights, totally destroy this BBS and all others like it!

He has revealed his truth in Scripture for all to see. Some bring their own ideas to it and redefine God's choosing in strange ways. Some just don't like the truth it gives about the affects of sin on the mind and person of man. But the truth remains the truth, even when some don't accept it. The Bible is consistent; it does not give conflicting messages. It simply needs to be believed.

 

[GeneMBridges]

The same way that the new testament saints are saved, the same way that we are saved.

God saves those who have faith in Him

Amen, Wes!

There was believers although they were not saved by there faith. They practiced the Law and the Law could not save them, neither could the blood of animals. This is why Christ came because the Law system wasn't working.

Ok then if the Law could not save them, and they weren't saved by faith, are you saying they were saved by works? If so, where does Scripture say this?

Those that were believers in God were held captive in Abramham's bossom. Where is that? I can only speculate that it was a paradise but other than that I don't know much about it. There's a book called Nicodemus in the new testament Apocrypha that explains, but I don't have that availible to me any longer It is in a book called the "Lost Books of the Bible" which I don't think is to expensive maybe 10.00 20.00 dollars at a book store. I can't say that anything in it is of any any truth but then I'm not the one who took it out of the Bible. The RCC I think did that.

Actually, it was The Council of Nicea. Don't ever let people fool you into thinking the Catholic Church we know today was the same as it was back then.
Here is some interesting info on some of this that you might enjoy reading:

http://www.carm.org/lostbooks.htm

Matt talks about them all there.