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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Calminian, Oct 17, 2019.

  1. Dave G

    Dave G Well-Known Member

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    As I see it, it boils down to this ...

    Two men are before the Lord on Judgment Day.
    He asks them, in essence...
    "Why should I not cast you into Hell, where the penalty of sin and of the Law, says that I should?"

    One man says, "Because I chose you".
    The other says, "Because you chose me".

    Which one would you say involves man's efforts at gaining favor with God, and which one constitutes God's efforts ( alone and independent of our efforts, totally of grace and mercy ) in saving men?
    I leave that to you, to answer for yourself.;)

    This is my last reply in this thread.


    May God's blessings be upon you, sir.:)
     
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  2. Calminian

    Calminian Well-Known Member
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    I don't really see the difference, practically speaking. Even in that metaphor, the person must then grab the gift dropped in their lap. Unexpected and unsought, of course. Either way, I don't see the difference.



    Do you have Scripture to back this up this concept of what a true gift is? IOWs, when Jacob had his servants bring over camels and gifts to Esau, is there any hint that Esau deserved partial credit for taking them? You say that this can't really be considered a gift (per your description). So where did you get this idea?
     
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    This is not true. I can pay your power bill and it doesn't matter if that is accepted or not.
     
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    What did the Philippian jailor have to do to be saved? He had to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. What did Paul say to Agrippa? He wished he had been successful in persuading Agrippa to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is not a work and it must be accomplished by sinners wishing to be saved.
     
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  5. HankD

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    It is impossible for the human heart which is both desperately wicked and deceitful above all things to produce love, joy peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance.

    1 Corinthians 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
     
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  6. MB

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    Let me give you the account number that way you shouldn't have any problems. Just in case I forget thank you for paying my power bill.
    My point If you make an offer someone if not everyone will accept it
    MB
     
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    It's also impossible for some who claim to be Christians to have joy peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance.
    MB
     
  8. HankD

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    OK. but In the negative you point out, the word impossible doesn't apply IMO.
    The fruit of the Spirit is there, it has to be in the heart of the child of God.
    Perhaps overshadowed with sorrow (if that is what you mean) but there nonetheless.
     
  9. HankD

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    The Eye-Popping Cost of Medicare for All

    Back to the o/p - one has to be careful if one is depending on the government for oversight of one's Medicare health plan.
    Uncle will not tell you if a better plan exists for you in any given year - you have oversight not them.

    For 2020 I redid my Medicare Advantage plan, reduced my monthly premium from $129.00 to $82.00 - similar coverage.
    In addition I now have a dental plan included.

    They also failed to inform me that the drug Lyrica (not an opioid) went generic (Pregabalin) and went from $800.00 to $20.00 per month for a typical prescription. Lyrica/Pregablin was on my request list, it helps relieve neuropathy pain.

    You still have time. LORD willing.
     
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    Both of those answers would be wrong. The reason we are justified and born again is because of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Nothing else.
     
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  11. MB

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    The problem as I see it Christians will not be judged or asked such a stupid question on judgement day. If we are trully forgiven God doesn't remember our sins all He see's is the righteousness of Jesus Christ.
    MB
     
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    So the "Other Guy" is mind reading the mind of God.
     
  13. Calminian

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    No disagreement of course. Paul then gives us more insight into this process in Romans 4 when he reveals that God credits our faith as righteousness. All of this is intriguing insight into the mind of God, who reckons our faith, freely without obligation.
     
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    And my point was it is not that type of gift.
     
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    Still hung up on this are you?
     
  16. Calminian

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    I actually don' know many that would answer in the former. I would say "because you chose me." God chose to save ungodly unworthy believers. Praise him.
     
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  17. Dave G

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    I think you're in the wrong thread, Hank.;)
     
  18. OldArmy

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    What if one said "Because Yeshua gave his life for those who believe, that their sins will be forgiven."?
     
  19. Dave G

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    He did give His life for those who believe ( Matthew 1:21, John 10:11 ), and their sins are already forgiven ( Colossians 2:13-14 ).

    That all happened at the cross.:)
     
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    OOPS :Roflmao
     
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