'If God doesn't judge America...

[OldRegular]

God does not judge Christians. So evidently we won't be here
MB

I thought "the Bema seat" judgment was big among dispensationalists.

That being said God does CHASTEN His children. Furthermore, when God brings judgment on a nation all suffer, believer or nonbeliever!

 

[Revmitchell]

I have never liked that statement and I cringe when I hear it. God can choose to show more grace to one nation than another. And when He does He is just and righteous in doing it. He does not owe one nation a certain level of grace just because of the level of grace He extended to another nation.

But I do understand the comparison and it is not without justification. Even still such statements are theologically incorrect and ungodly.

 

[MB]

I thought "the Bema seat" judgment was big among dispensationalists.

That being said God does CHASTEN His children. Furthermore, when God brings judgment on a nation all suffer, believer or nonbeliever!

You are mistaken. Those who are saved from their sins by the blood of Jesus Christ will not even be question about there sins much less Judged. They all wear the righteousness of Christ. And their sins are no longer remembered.
All their sins have been forgiven past, present, and future.
When you punished your children did you punish them all at the same time whether they were all guilty or not?

 

[saturneptune]

You mean as far as a candidate? I'm leaning toward writing Ron Paul in. While he's something of a kook when it comes to foreign policy, I like where he stands on a lot of the other issues.

Sure you do.

 

[saturneptune]

I have never liked that statement and I cringe when I hear it. God can choose to show more grace to one nation than another. And when He does He is just and righteous in doing it. He does not owe one nation a certain level of grace just because of the level of grace He extended to another nation.

But I do understand the comparison and it is not without justification. Even still such statements are theologically incorrect and ungodly.

I do not say Amen much, growing up in a Presbyterian Church, but AMEN to your post. God is Creator, and in charge. He can do what He wants, when He wants, and why He wants. It amazes me how many on this board think they have some secret knowledge into the deepest, most inner thoughts and motives of the Lord.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

The original post is well thought out and correct, however the original comment is a quip, saying or sound bite not meant to be theological in nature nor to be judged by that criteria, much like this statement. "But it is absolute rubbish!" which is neither absolute nor rubbish, it is an assemblage of typed characters not qualifying as the usual rubbish of empty cans, garbage and bits of paper mixed together until printed out, crumpled up and placed in a rubbish can. It would actually be better to put it in a recycle container but then it wouldn't be rubbish any longer but it would be absolute recycle which may be the real problem, a lot of people have recycled the comment too much.

Rather doubt anyone quoting it nor the original composer of the comment said it thinking that God HAD to do anything. In fact I'd guess He hasn't wasted a lot of His eternalness worrying about being told what to do by His children.

That's a pretty good post actually

 

[mont974x4]

Graham was just pointing out the wickedness of America. He was not trying to tell God how He should be judging nations. The OP missed the point.

 

[MB]

When God judged the preflood Earth He saved the righteous and destroyed the wicked. When God destroyed Sodom He did exactly the same thing. So how is it there are so many who believe God slaps wicked and the righteous with the same punishment. If God never changes then how is it He did not destroy all the wicked with out saving the righteous?.
MB

 

[webdog]

Graham was just pointing out the wickedness of America. He was not trying to tell God how He should be judging nations. The OP missed the point.

Excentric nailed that point home. I never took that statement as intended theological truth, but more like the meme's you see on facebook, emails and discussion forums.

 

[LadyEagle]

That's a pretty good post actually

I thought his post was stunning! Wow!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Excentric nailed that point home. I never took that statement as intended theological truth, but more like the meme's you see on facebook, emails and discussion forums.

All of that is well and good, but I contend that it is wrong for Christians, especially those recognised as Christian leaders, to make wrong statements about God, even for a sound bite or meme. It still gives a false impression of God and His justice and it still attempts to hold Him to our standards.

The statement is sanctified silliness at best.

 

[webdog]

All of that is well and good, but I contend that it is wrong for Christians, especially those recognised as Christian leaders, to make wrong statements about God, even for a sound bite or meme. It still gives a false impression of God and His justice and it still attempts to hold Him to our standards.

The statement is sanctified silliness at best.

all it does is imply our country should be viewed in the same light as S&G. To read anything else other than that into it is going way too far. The silliness is taking a quip and dissecting it the way this thread is doing.

 

[Baptist4life]

all it does is imply our country should be viewed in the same light as S&G. To read anything else other than that into it is going way too far. The silliness is taking a quip and dissecting it the way this thread is doing.

Exactly! My goodness! Four pages on this? :BangHead:

 

[exscentric]

I thought his post was stunning! Wow!

Hummmmmmm, gunna have to study that one for a few days and figer out what I dun right :smilewinkgrin: