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If nationalized health care is soooooo bad...

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chuck2336

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KenH said:
It's a very, very bad idea, chuck2336, to make public policy based on anecdotes.


What anecdotes? If I; as an individual can ask several people in a single trip what they feel abouth the healthcare provided them and recieve answers to said questions. How hard is it for the President to do a little unbiased research of his own.
It is a VERY VERY bad idea to make public policy based on nothing but t wishes nd wants. We can wish and want nationalized healthcare to be the end all be all. But in reality it is nothing more than a more broken system than we already have.
 

LadyEagle

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Microsoft is not a program being carried out by a company. It is a company, one with a multitude of problems.

Thank you, MP.

I would still rather have the health of my computer in Microsoft's hands rather than the government's. :)
 
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Magnetic Poles

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LadyEagle said:
Thank you, MP.

I would still rather have the health of my computer in Microsoft's hands rather than the government's. :)
Well, Microsoft gave backdoor keys to the NSA, so they ratted you out. Just another reason I am a happy Linux user! :thumbs:
 

rbell

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KenH said:
It's a very, very bad idea, chuck2336, to make public policy based on anecdotes.

It's a very, very bad idea, KenH, to ignore one's experiences and the experiences of others when proposing public policy.
 

targus

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KenH said:
In a representative democracy, if nationalized health care is as bad as conservatives claim it is, you don't think that this would lead to massive dissatisfaction with the health system and to people voting in representatives to change the system towards a free market type such as the United States has?

This does not support your original supposition. This is the same speculation on your part simply rephrased.

And I have already provided you with a valid explanation...

In any industrialized country the number of persons in relative good health that are not in dire immediate need of medical attention vastly out weigh the lesser number of those who are suffering under the limited or slow care of such a system.

It is human nature that people want something for nothing. So the larger number of healthy people are not uprising because they want to continue in what they believe is the free lunch of national healthcare. Unfortunately for them the bill comes due as part of a larger tax bill or when they ultimately find themselves in need of health care which they then find the national system not able to deliver.

I also find it interesting that we don't see other industrialized representative democracies attempting to install a United States-style health care system in their countries.

Again, the larger segment of the population that thinks that they are getting something for nothing have no incentive to pay for a US style health care system. Especially when persons of means can travel to the US or other countries and simply pay for the care they need.

Your supposition is flawed.

BTW - would any of this be of interest to you if you did not pay a portion of your employer provided medical insurance? As I said it is human nature to want something for nothing.
 

KenH

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targus said:
BTW - would any of this be of interest to you if you did not pay a portion of your employer provided medical insurance?

Yes, it would be. I would even be willing to pay a little more in taxes than I contribute in premiums currently in order to have a nationalized health care system that covered 100% of Americans.
 

canadyjd

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KenH said:
Yes, it would be. I would even be willing to pay a little more in taxes....
The IRS takes checks and will accept any additional donations you want to give.

Just mark the check "please use for Obama's universal health care".

I'm certain you will have full confidence in the U.S government to use that money wisely.

BTW, since we're close to tax time, why don't you let everyone know just how much extra you decided to send to the government?

If you don't, you're just blowing smoke as usual.

peace to you:praying:
 

LadyEagle

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KenH said:
Yes, it would be. I would even be willing to pay a little more in taxes than I contribute in premiums currently in order to have a nationalized health care system that covered 100% of Americans.

And so, if something should happen and say, for instance, your physicians determine you need dialysis treatments in order to live, but some government official determines that your dialysis treatments are not cost effective for the government and refuse to cover them, you are okay with that? Or say you reach age 60 and the nationalized health care system decides there will no longer be health coverage for people over 60 because you have already reached your life-time quota for health care coverage, you are okay with that? I would assume you would be.

What the government gives, the government takes away. If the government provides health care coverage for all, the government can determine who will get what treatments or medical care and who will not get it. This is already happening with Medicare. Medicare does not cover certain medications and certain durable medical equipment, for instance. Medicare does not usually cover eyeglasses or hearing aids. If you don't have the cash to pay for those things or supplemental insurance for coverage, you go without.
 

Revmitchell

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canadyjd said:
The IRS takes checks and will accept any additional donations you want to give.

Just mark the check "please use for Obama's universal health care".

Libbies have more to give since the majority give little to no donations to those in need personally.
 

rbell

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canadyjd said:
The IRS takes checks and will accept any additional donations you want to give.

Just mark the check "please use for Obama's universal health care".

I'm certain you will have full confidence in the U.S government to use that money wisely.

Priceless.

Remember: the government needs your money more than you. Also, the government is much wiser than the individual at managing money. ( :rolleyes: )
 

Andy T.

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KenH said:
Yes, it would be. I would even be willing to pay a little more in taxes than I contribute in premiums currently in order to have a nationalized health care system that covered 100% of Americans.
You should want to give more to your church or other charities. But let's not allow Biblical thinking get in our way.
 

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