If the Jews had accepted Jesus as their messiah, would He still have been crucified?

[RootBeer]

I think the answer is yes, though there would not have been the need for a future Second Coming. The Kingdom would have started immediately after the resurrection.

This implies the Romans would have acted on their own, without input from the Jewish leadership.

Your thoughts on this?

 

[xlsdraw]

I'm content with God's Will.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Jesus is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. It was ALWAYS Plan A. Hundreds of prophecies breathed by God would have been incorrect had the Jew's "free will" overridden God's will and they did not crucify their Messiah.

Give the idea to Netflix and let them conjure up a new "cross-less" Gospel TV series. Liberals would love to take the cross out of the conversation.

 

[Charlie24]

I think the answer is yes, though there would not have been the need for a future Second Coming. The Kingdom would have started immediately after the resurrection.

This implies the Romans would have acted on their own, without input from the Jewish leadership.

Your thoughts on this?

When John the Baptist came saying, Behold the Kingdom of God is at hand, and then Jesus said, Behold the Kingdom of God is at hand, they literally meant the Kingdom of God was being offered to Israel. But it was not meant to be this way.

God through His foreknowledge knew Israel would freely reject Christ. If it would have meant to be that way, there would have been no Church Age, we would have went straight to the Kingdom Age with Christ ruling on this earth.

See, Christ only came to the lost sheep of Israel. They were chosen of God to evangelize the world, introduce the world to Christ that the Gentiles might be saved. But Israel failed miserably and killed their own Messiah.

So God chose the Gentile Church to evangelize the world in place of Israel. Well, 95% Gentile, God has always had a small remnant of Jews.

But Paul tells us that God is not finished with Israel, far from it, he said Israel will yet fulfill their original calling. This is after "all Israel will be saved" as Paul plainly told us.

 

[Charlie24]

When John the Baptist came saying, Behold the Kingdom of God is at hand, and then Jesus said, Behold the Kingdom of God is at hand, they literally meant the Kingdom of God was being offered to Israel. But it was not meant to be this way.

God through His foreknowledge knew Israel would freely reject Christ. If it would have meant to be that way, there would have been no Church Age, we would have went straight to the Kingdom Age with Christ ruling on this earth.

See, Christ only came to the lost sheep of Israel. They were chosen of God to evangelize the world, introduce the world to Christ that the Gentiles might be saved. But Israel failed miserably and killed their own Messiah.

So God chose the Gentile Church to evangelize the world in place of Israel. Well, 95% Gentile, God has always had a small remnant of Jews.

But Paul tells us that God is not finished with Israel, far from it, he said Israel will yet fulfill their original calling. This is after "all Israel will be saved" as Paul plainly told us.

That's the reason the Law of Moses was given only to the Hebrews, to prepare them for their coming Messiah, so they could bring the Gentile world to Christ.

So the Cross would have never happened. But as I said, it was not meant to be this way even though the facts are there.

 

[Charlie24]

That's the reason the Law of Moses was given only to the Hebrews, to prepare them for their coming Messiah, so they could bring the Gentile world to Christ.

So the Cross would have never happened. But as I said, it was not meant to be this way even though the facts are there.

There is an invisible line that separates man's reality from God's reality, and we can't cross that line in this life.

I've tried many times to understand this, but I'm no capable of doing so.

 

[DaveXR650]

There is an invisible line that separates man's reality from God's reality, and we can't cross that line in this life.

I've tried many times to understand this, but I'm no capable of doing so.

This is true and it gets into the issues of how can God decree something so that indeed it will be, and has to be, yet the people involved really were acting according to their free will choices and are responsible for those choices.

 

[Charlie24]

This is true and it gets into the issues of how can God decree something so that indeed it will be, and has to be, yet the people involved really were acting according to their free will choices and are responsible for those choices.

LOL, I see you don't miss any opportunity to pitch for the home team!

That's not the way I was going with it, but I have to admit that was very clever!