If the Jews had accepted Jesus as their messiah, would He still have been crucified?

[Charlie24]

1 Peter 1:20-21, Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Yes, "by Him," Christ, who was foreordained to carry out the redemption plan for man that we might believe and be saved.

All men are called by this plan, but only the ones who accept the call and believe will benefit from what Christ did for us.

Heb. 4:2

"For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

Do you see here, they were given the Gospel (God's redemption plan) but it didn't profit them because they didn't believe.

 

[Charlie24]

Yes, "by Him," Christ, who was foreordained to carry out the redemption plan for man that we might believe and be saved.

All men are called by this plan, but only the ones who accept the call and believe will benefit from what Christ did for us.

Heb. 4:2

"For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

Do you see here, they were given the Gospel (God's redemption plan) but it didn't profit them because they didn't believe.

They heard the plan, responded in the negative to it, and the Holy Spirit could not give them the faith to believe.

They flat out rejected it! That is the free will God has given man!

 

[37818]

. . . Christ did for us.

In time. Yet Jesus, He was before time.

John 17:24, Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

 

[Charlie24]

In time. Yet Jesus, He was before time.

John 17:24, Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, but He was God before He became flesh.

Just as the Father, Jesus Christ has no beginning and no end.

Before the foundation of the world, before Christ came to thisi world in the flesh, His name was The Word of God.

John told us, in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

"And the Word became flesh."

Don't ask me how He became flesh, I don't know, that's was the work of God the Holy Spirit.

 

[Dr. Bob]

They heard the plan, responded in the negative to it, and the Holy Spirit could not give them the faith to believe.

Couple questions:
What would man DO to respond "positively" to it? Wouldn't that positive choice already be that before God did anything, man had "faith to believe"?

What does that look like? How can I tell if someone IS believing, seeking, doing something "righteous"? Like to know what to look for.

Who is in charge of salvation? Obviously, MAN is. If MAN responds positively (whatever that means) then God gives them faith to believe; if they don't respond positively, then God CANNOT give them faith to believe?

Think you need to actually follow the Bible, brother, or you will put MAN in the driver's seat and salvation is up to MAN. Truly hate the phrase "Spirit COULD NOT". Any time we say God "can't" unless man "does" something (respond positively), we make salvation the work of man; man is the "powerful god" in that situation.

 

[Charlie24]

Couple questions:
What would man DO to respond "positively" to it? Wouldn't that positive choice already be that before God did anything, man had "faith to believe"?

What does that look like? How can I tell if someone IS believing, seeking, doing something "righteous"? Like to know what to look for.

Who is in charge of salvation? Obviously, MAN is. If MAN responds positively (whatever that means) then God gives them faith to believe; if they don't respond positively, then God CANNOT give them faith to believe?

Think you need to actually follow the Bible, brother, or you will put MAN in the driver's seat and salvation is up to MAN. Truly hate the phrase "Spirit COULD NOT". Any time we say God "can't" unless man "does" something (respond positively), we make salvation the work of man; man is the "powerful god" in that situation.

Man is not in charge. It was all made possible by God. Man did nothing, he only chooses to spend eternity with or without God.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Man did nothing, he only chooses to spend eternity with or without God.

Read your reply (highlight obvious words in red for you). You said man DID nothing but then said he DID do something. You see how that direct opposite is confusing.

If salvation by grace alone involves DOING something, Paul said then it is NOT grace alone. (Rom 4)

Please answer my questions from this morning. Very interested in what man does "positively" that would then demand God give him faith. Thanks.

 

[Charlie24]

Read your reply (highlight obvious words in red for you). You said man DID nothing but then said he DID do something. You see how that direct opposite is confusing.

If salvation by grace alone involves DOING something, Paul said then it is NOT grace alone. (Rom 4)

Please answer my questions from this morning. Very interested in what man does "positively" that would then demand God give him faith. Thanks.

Dr. Bob, surly you can see in my statement that God provided everything for man to be saved, right up to furnishing the faith needed to believe.

Man did nothing in this effort of God to redeem man. Man has nothing at all to do with it.

God giving man the ability to choose his way through life did not effect God's plan in any way.

The ability to choose to accept the Gospel or reject it is also a gift of God. Everything and I mean to the slightest detail of man's salvation was planed and carried out by God, all His doing.

God honors man's person and gives Him the choice as I have shown time and time again.

Man does not control God's plan of redemption, man controls his own destiny in eternity by the gift of free will choice.