If the Vaccines Work, Why Aren't They Working?

[Reynolds]

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/11/if_the_vaccines_work_why_arent_they_working.html

Are they effective? The CDC answers an emphatic yes,

COVID-19 study shows mRNA vaccines reduce risk of infection by 91 percent for fully vaccinated people. Vaccination makes illness milder, shorter for the few vaccinated people who do get COVID-19.​

Does the real world agree and support the CDC’s optimism? Gibraltar is more than fully vaccinated, they are 118 percent vaccinated, meaning that many fully vaccinated have had booster injections too. Yet this headline doesn’t jive with CDC assertions, “Most vaccinated place on Earth told to cancel holiday plans amid an exponential rise in COVID cases.”

Pick another country: “93% vaccinated Ireland has gone into partial lockdown, including midnight curfew.” This recent headline too, “COVID surge in Singapore despite 80 percent vaccination.” Or from the U.K. where the Spectator reported, “The rates of Covid infection per 100,000 are now higher among the vaxxed than the unvaxxed.”

Closer to home it’s much the same, “Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country. So why are cases surging?” My home state of Colorado is singing from the same hymnal, “Colorado’s COVID hospitalizations jump again as virus’ statewide death toll surpasses 9,000.” Colorado’s 12 and up population is over 80 percent partially or fully vaccinated.​

Because:
They won't work until we get to 100% vax status. It was 55, then 70, then 80. Now the target is 100. If that ever did happen they would come up with a new lie to explain why it was not working. They are freaking liars. Sons of Hell. Followers of Satan.

 

[Aaron]

I have a number of health issues that are slowing things down

But the vaccines are safe.

 

[kyredneck]

But the vaccines are safe.

My older brother was recently hospitalized due to the onset of Ventricular Tachycardia 24 hrs after getting the booster. He's on some powerful meds for it now, hoping it will eventually go away.

 

[JonC]

Total cases in the US are about 48 million. The mortality rate varies widely with age brackets. Older people have a very good chance of getting seriously ill with Covid which is why the radio talk show guys parents are all vaccinated. They love to talk it down for ratings to rile up people like you but their relatives will be safe.

The majority of people realize the vaccines do work and are statistically safe (the chance of an adverse reaction to a vaccine is there BUT it is far less than the chance of getting and dying from covid).

What you see on this thread is a minority gathering together to comfort one another.

This is not new.

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[Reynolds]

The majority of people realize the vaccines do work and are statistically safe (the chance of an adverse reaction to a vaccine is there BUT it is far less than the chance of getting and dying from covid).

What you see on this thread is a minority gathering together to comfort one another.

This is not new.

The flat-Earth conspiracy is spreading around the globe. Does it hide a darker core? | CNN

CNN, Communist News Network; that where you getting your news? Explains a lot.

 

[JonC]

CNN, Communist News Network; that where you getting your news? Explains a lot.

No. That was just one article. I knew about the guys for years.

See? Yet another denial of truth because you don't like the provided source.

 

[percho]

My older brother was recently hospitalized due to the onset of Ventricular Tachycardia 24 hrs after getting the booster. He's on some powerful meds for it now, hoping it will eventually go away.

Prayer for your brother, sent.

 

[Two Wings]

This is literally the problem ...

convince the yet cv vaxed to take the vax because it works ...

but convince the already cv vaxed that they need a booster because it doesn't work.

 

[Two Wings]

No. That was just one article. I knew about the guys for years.

See? Yet another denial of truth because you don't like the provided source.

Also CNN:

 

[SavedByGrace]

Vaccines Ward Off Severe Covid in U.S., Wane Against Infections

 

[JonC]

Also CNN:

You and @Reynolds are denying the facts of the CNN article simply because it was on CNN.

This demonstrates a problem with anti-covid-vaxers. They reject the source (science, experts in the field, The CDC, ect.) so they ignore the facts.

You and Reynolds would have benefitted from checking out the validity of the material before simply pretending it was wrong because it was on CNN.

This is evidence that to you guys facts do not matter. It is all political.

You two have adopted one of the most often used fallacies- you attack the source to avoid addressing what was said.

Politics as usual for you sheeple.

 

[Reynolds]

You and @Reynolds are denying the facts of the CNN article simply because it was on CNN.

This demonstrates a problem with anti-covid-vaxers. They reject the source (science, experts in the field, The CDC, ect.) so they ignore the facts.

You and Reynolds would have benefitted from checking out the validity of the material before simply pretending it was wrong because it was on CNN.

This is evidence that to you guys facts do not matter. It is all political.

You two have adopted one of the most often used fallacies- you attack the source to avoid addressing what was said.

Politics as usual for you sheeple.

I did not discount anything because it was on CNN. I just found it fitting that you get your news from Communist News Network.

You buying fossil fuel caused global warming hook line and sinker? Same scientists say that if you don't believe it, you are a flat earther.

Scientists manipulate data to suit the narrative of those who fund them.

You looked at the outbreaks in the highest vaxed countries in Earth lately? Noticed that some of the lowest vaxed countries have lowest new case rates?
Hmmm......

 

[Aaron]

Total cases in the US are about 48 million. The mortality rate varies widely with age brackets. Older people have a very good chance of getting seriously ill with Covid which is why the radio talk show guys parents are all vaccinated. They love to talk it down for ratings to rile up people like you but their relatives will be safe.

Cases are the tip of the iceberg in the number of infections. They are merely the infections that are documented because those are the ones who sought medical help or who were found by testing.

An accurate estimate of the total number of infections is arrived at by seroprevalence studies in which representative samples of the population are tested for antibodies, meaning, they had the infection and fought it off.
Infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data

An infection fatality rate is arrived at by dividing the number of deaths by the total number of infections.

The total fatality rate is 0.25 to 0.3%.
(total infections) x .003 = 757600

(total infections) = 757600/.003

total infectons = 252,533,333.33

 

[Revmitchell]

I don’t trust the science because I don’t trust the people who put the stats together. They have not given reason to be trusted.

It’s interesting how some want to bemoan sources they don’t like but then cry about others not trusting their favorite sources as if the sources shouldn’t be criticized?

There is no doubt that some sources are known for not being truthful and have been exposed for their political agenda. No matter how bad the source is that in and of itself does not prove or disprove the info.

In all of this calling people neat little names do as to identify them with some pejorative type ideology means you struggle to feel confident about your own position so you need to belittle others with whom you disagree to feel better about yourself.

It is part of the far left propaganda war. Get others to turn against those with whom they disagree by placing these labels on them much like Hitler did to the Jews.

 

[Two Wings]

They reject the source

JonC ... I assure you to the extent you're precisely accurate in this statement, it is logarithmically more applicable to the inverse. e.g. the political left ... and in this topic the cv vaxed.

You can't see it because you have built this image with dozens if not hundreds of posts making this statement. You're self-reinforcing on this one.

 

[just-want-peace]

----In all of this calling people neat little names do as to identify them with some pejorative type ideology means you struggle to feel confident about your own position so you need to belittle others with whom you disagree to feel better about yourself.

It is part of the far left propaganda war. Get others to turn against those with whom they disagree by placing these labels on them much like Hitler did to the Jews.

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!!!

 

[Aaron]

I don’t trust the science because I don’t trust the people who put the stats together. They have not given reason to be trusted.

It’s interesting how some want to bemoan sources they don’t like but then cry about others not trusting their favorite sources as if the sources shouldn’t be criticized?

There is no doubt that some sources are known for not being truthful and have been exposed for their political agenda. No matter how bad the source is that in and of itself does not prove or disprove the info.

In all of this calling people neat little names do as to identify them with some pejorative type ideology means you struggle to feel confident about your own position so you need to belittle others with whom you disagree to feel better about yourself.

It is part of the far left propaganda war. Get others to turn against those with whom they disagree by placing these labels on them much like Hitler did to the Jews.

Yup. He can't help but show his leftist hand.

 

[Aaron]

Cases are the tip of the iceberg in the number of infections. They are merely the infections that are documented because those are the ones who sought medical help or who were found by testing.

An accurate estimate of the total number of infections is arrived at by seroprevalence studies in which representative samples of the population are tested for antibodies, meaning, they had the infection and fought it off.
Infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data

An infection fatality rate is arrived at by dividing the number of deaths by the total number of infections.

The total fatality rate is 0.25 to 0.3%.
(total infections) x .003 = 757600

(total infections) = 757600/.003

total infectons = 252,533,333.33

I forgot to add, where the fatality rate and the number of deaths are known, the total number of infections can be arrived at by dividing the number of deaths by the fatality rate.

 

[DaveXR650]

Using 18-20 year olds as a reference, 40-49 year olds are 10X more likely to die, 50-64 year olds 25X, and 65-74 year olds 65X and 75-84 year olds 150 times. So you might want to recalculate your numbers. You should hope you're wrong, if your calculations are right then everybody has had it and like you said the infections rates are going up. So the natural immunity isn't working out either.

 

[Aaron]

Using 18-20 year olds as a reference, 40-49 year olds are 10X more likely to die, 50-64 year olds 25X, and 65-74 year olds 65X and 75-84 year olds 150 times. So you might want to recalculate your numbers. You should hope you're wrong, if your calculations are right then everybody has had it and like you said the infections rates are going up. So the natural immunity isn't working out either.

No, that death rate takes into account the near 0 for young people and the higher percentages in the aged and sick.

The demographics of the US also are wide and varied enough to make even the higher end of the total precise enough to arrive at a reliable estimate of the total number of infections.

Read the study.

If you don't like the results, of the math, your problem is with the accuracy of the reported covid fatalities.