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Salty

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If you are pro- 2nd Amendment -
Is there anything that could have been done to avoid these mass shooting?

Do you think any new laws are needed

other related comments?

NOTE: THIS thread is for Pro 2nd amendment comments only
If you disagree - then start your own thread!
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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No new laws for guns. We need better parenting.

I would perhaps be in favor of some kind of law rewarding marriage that would fix the nutjobs shooting up schools problem. Perhaps a tax law where child tax credits are only given out for married couples, not for out-of-wedlock births.
 
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canadyjd

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I am leaning toward support for limiting certain rifles to 21 years of age, or above. Specifically those with high capacity magazines and semi-auto fire capability.

For 18-21, only bolt action rifles, shotguns, and revolvers for ownership.

peace to you
 

Reynolds

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If you are pro- 2nd Amendment -
Is there anything that could have been done to avoid these mass shooting?

Do you think any new laws are needed

other related comments?

NOTE: THIS thread is for Pro 2nd amendment comments only
If you disagree - then start your own thread!
Mental health system is the problem. Commit the nuts. Don't let them roam around as medicated ticking time bombs.
Guns are not the problem.
Also those who lie on FFL purchase form should be prosecuted. They are not being. Dealer I use says he averages about 20 back ground check denials a week and absolutely NONE are prosecuted.
 

canadyjd

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Mental health system is the problem. Commit the nuts. Don't let them roam around as medicated ticking time bombs.
Guns are not the problem.
Also those who lie on FFL purchase form should be prosecuted. They are not being. Dealer I use says he averages about 20 back ground check denials a week and absolutely NONE are prosecuted.
I would support mental health problems and violent crimes committed by minors to be included in the FBI background check for gun purchases as adults.

peace to you
 

Salty

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I would support mental health problems and violent crimes committed by minors to be included in the FBI background check for gun purchases as adults....

How do you deal with files that are sealed by the court?
or should firearms be an automatic exception?
 

canadyjd

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How do you deal with files that are sealed by the court?
or should firearms be an automatic exception?
Violent crimes and mental illness of a minor could be part of the FBI background check (just yes or no to the purchase of a gun as an adult) without the details of the juvenile record becoming public knowledge.

peace to you
 

Reynolds

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How do you deal with files that are sealed by the court?
or should firearms be an automatic exception?
If you follow Federal Law, the files can not be sealed. It is mandatory that the information be entered into NCIC. Many Blue States do not do it. Then the same blue states scream gun control when shootings happen.
Even juvenile records are to be entered into NCIC. It can only be accessed by the courts or LE, but it must be entered. LE does Firearms background check and has access.
 

Reynolds

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The common denominator in all these shootings is mental medications. Almost all school shooters were on some type mental medication. Almost all were on ADHD meds to be more precise. There is strong data that shows that medicating ADHD alters the development of the juvenile brain. You take a wild happy go lucky kid and medicate them into a depressed psychopath. All because the parents don't want to parent and the teachers are took lazy to teach the ADHD kid properly.
My son plays on a baseball team with 4 medicated ADHD kids. Parents hate me. They were all talking about their kids meds one night. Talking about how to time them for school and the ball games. One asked me how I gave my ADHD kid his meds. I said "I don't. I parent and I beat his tail when he needs it. Good parenting cured ADHD." They all had them a little melt down. I laughed at them.
 
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Baptist Believer

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I am leaning toward support for limiting certain rifles to 21 years of age...
I would be okay with limiting the sale of long guns (not just rifles) to those 21 or older, just the same as handguns.

Specifically those with high capacity magazines...
High capacity magazines are generally items distinct from the firearm. They are often an after-market accessory. But even if magazines held 10 rounds or less, magazines can usually be swapped VERY quickly for a full magazine. In fact, high-capacity magazines are more likely to misfeed than low capacity magazines because of the pressure needed to feed the next round. So low capacity magazines are not really much of a deterrent to mass shooting events. The Uvalde gunman had multiple loaded magazines in his bag, ready to change out.

...and semi-auto fire capability.
You likely know this, but some readers may not. A semi-automatic firearm is NOT a "machine gun" or necessarily a 'weapon of war.' It simply means that a after a trigger pull and discharge of the weapon, the recoil action of the firearm discharges the spent casing and allows a fresh round to enter the chamber. The operator of the firearm has to pull the trigger again to fire a round. There has a be a specific press and release of the trigger for EVERY round fired.

For 18-21, only bolt action rifles, shotguns, and revolvers for ownership.
If I were ever in the unfortunate situation where I needed to kill or incapacitate everyone in an enclosed space, my weapon of choice would not be an AR-15 style rifle or any other type of rifle. It would be a 12-gauge pump shotgun loaded with buckshot. I can operate it quickly, take out multiple people with every round, and reload between each shot, if necessary. Shotguns were developed for trench warfare during World War I and have been used ever since for close quarters firefights by police, military, and civilians. Regarding revolvers, if I remember correctly, one has to be 21 to purchase a revolver in the United States.
 

Reynolds

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I would be okay with limiting the sale of long guns (not just rifles) to those 21 or older, just the same as handguns.


High capacity magazines are generally items distinct from the firearm. They are often an after-market accessory. But even if magazines held 10 rounds or less, magazines can usually be swapped VERY quickly for a full magazine. In fact, high-capacity magazines are more likely to misfeed than low capacity magazines because of the pressure needed to feed the next round. So low capacity magazines are not really much of a deterrent to mass shooting events. The Uvalde gunman had multiple loaded magazines in his bag, ready to change out.


You likely know this, but some readers may not. A semi-automatic firearm is NOT a "machine gun" or necessarily a 'weapon of war.' It simply means that a after a trigger pull and discharge of the weapon, the recoil action of the firearm discharges the spent casing and allows a fresh round to enter the chamber. The operator of the firearm has to pull the trigger again to fire a round. There has a be a specific press and release of the trigger for EVERY round fired.


If I were ever in the unfortunate situation where I needed to kill or incapacitate everyone in an enclosed space, my weapon of choice would not be an AR-15 style rifle or any other type of rifle. It would be a 12-gauge pump shotgun loaded with buckshot. I can operate it quickly, take out multiple people with every round, and reload between each shot, if necessary. Shotguns were developed for trench warfare during World War I and have been used ever since for close quarters firefights by police, military, and civilians. Regarding revolvers, if I remember correctly, one has to be 21 to purchase a revolver in the United States.
High capacity magazines are not usually an aftermarket accessory. The pistol usually comes with three of them. 30 round mag is OEm equipment for most AR-15 clones. 20 Round was OEM for the real AR-15, which is class 3 and costs $30k+,by the way. I agree with a shotgun for close quarters, but not a pump. The gas guns are superior in every way.
 

OnlyaSinner

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I would be okay with limiting the sale of long guns (not just rifles) to those 21 or older, just the same as handguns.


High capacity magazines are generally items distinct from the firearm. They are often an after-market accessory. But even if magazines held 10 rounds or less, magazines can usually be swapped VERY quickly for a full magazine. In fact, high-capacity magazines are more likely to misfeed than low capacity magazines because of the pressure needed to feed the next round. So low capacity magazines are not really much of a deterrent to mass shooting events. The Uvalde gunman had multiple loaded magazines in his bag, ready to change out.


You likely know this, but some readers may not. A semi-automatic firearm is NOT a "machine gun" or necessarily a 'weapon of war.' It simply means that a after a trigger pull and discharge of the weapon, the recoil action of the firearm discharges the spent casing and allows a fresh round to enter the chamber. The operator of the firearm has to pull the trigger again to fire a round. There has a be a specific press and release of the trigger for EVERY round fired.


If I were ever in the unfortunate situation where I needed to kill or incapacitate everyone in an enclosed space, my weapon of choice would not be an AR-15 style rifle or any other type of rifle. It would be a 12-gauge pump shotgun loaded with buckshot. I can operate it quickly, take out multiple people with every round, and reload between each shot, if necessary. Shotguns were developed for trench warfare during World War I and have been used ever since for close quarters firefights by police, military, and civilians. Regarding revolvers, if I remember correctly, one has to be 21 to purchase a revolver in the United States.
Couple of nitpicks:
The "bump stocks" used by the Las Vegas shooter convert some of the recoil to finger/trigger motion, allowing rapid fire almost indistinguishable from full auto.
To avoid confusion, shotguns long predate WW1, but were adapted for wartime use. IIRC, current LE shotguns are semi-auto and have long magazines with 12(?) shell capacity. I've also seen a huge circular add-on that holds something 100, but that would be far to heavy and cumbersome for LE use.
 

kyredneck

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If I were ever in the unfortunate situation where I needed to kill or incapacitate everyone in an enclosed space, my weapon of choice would not be an AR-15 style rifle or any other type of rifle. It would be a 12-gauge pump shotgun loaded with buckshot.

Ditto. Shotgun for house protection and flying predators. SKS for long range varmints.
 

canadyjd

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Nothing could have been done
Someone could have made certain the doors were locked so he couldn’t have just walked in.

A SRO could have confronted him in the building.

Police couldn’t get in, but apparently a momma bear parent climbed a fence, managed to get in the school and get her kids out.

A lot could have been done and a lot should be done to the police who refused to go in for those kids.

peace to you
 

Reynolds

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Someone could have made certain the doors were locked so he couldn’t have just walked in.

A SRO could have confronted him in the building.

Police couldn’t get in, but apparently a momma bear parent climbed a fence, managed to get in the school and get her kids out.

A lot could have been done and a lot should be done to the police who refused to go in for those kids.

peace to you
According to the press conference, a teacher left the door propped open to go get her cell phone from her car. D.A. is going to prosecute her.
L.E. showed the ultimate display of ineptness and cowardice. There should be prosecutions for negligent homicide, or whatever Texas calls it.
 
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