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If You Can't Question It, Don't Call It Science

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Reynolds

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The vaccine has been shown to reduce Delta transmission and to reduce serious illness with the omnicron varient. You are wrong in this one.

I don't doubt I can find videos of people claiming otherwise. I can find videos explaining the earth is flat, we never landed on the moon, and Hod does not exist as well.
Censorship! Eady to explain. Look at numbers in England and Israel. If that's not enough for you, look at Ireland.
 

JonC

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Censorship! Eady to explain. Look at numbers in England and Israel. If that's not enough for you, look at Ireland.
Why stretch it (and those numbers do not prove what you think they prove).

Look at the US.

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Two Wings

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Why stretch it (and those numbers do not prove what you think they prove).

Look at the US.

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The pureblood cases falling twice as fast as the cv jabbed.

i am skeptical of these reports because they are easily manipulated. This was demonstrated in the summer of 20 … when the metric to note was hospitalization/deaths. … pre cv jab deployment

now the focus is on cases. Funny how that target changes.
 

just-want-peace

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Uk covid mortality rates by vaccination status.

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Just based on this graph, why is there such a big push(??) for boosters. According to this plotting, the second dose virtually eliminated the bug!
So tell me how you decide that this graph is valid, but you still push for boosters; or is this graph lying and the vaxed aren't as protected as shown here????
Smells like a whole pile of bovine excrement in the wood-pile!!
 

JonC

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The pureblood cases falling twice as fast as the cv jabbed.

i am skeptical of these reports because they are easily manipulated. This was demonstrated in the summer of 20 … when the metric to note was hospitalization/deaths. … pre cv jab deployment

now the focus is on cases. Funny how that target changes.
They are easily manuplated. @Reynolds manuplated (or used manuplated conclusions) recently.

For example, you could accurately say that in the covid cases have increased among the vaccinated. BUT what this ignores is the UK has a vaccination rate of almost 80% (the covid infection rate is higher among the unvaccinated).

Also people manuplate data by using the infection rate per populace to "prove" the vaccine ineffective when the mortality rate is much higher among the unvaccinated.
 

JesusFan

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I'm an astrophysicist at a major university. Science is my life. But when I hear somebody somberly intone, "science says" or "follow the science," I get very nervous.



Science doesn't belong to any ideology. Science is the never-ending search for new knowledge.



That's what science means in Latin, by the way—knowledge. Not wisdom. Not morality. Not social policy. Knowledge. What we do with that knowledge is where wisdom, morality, and social policy enter the picture.



Knowledge, it turns out, isn't so easy to come by. And sometimes what we think we know for certain (the earth sure does look flat when we're standing on it) turns out not to be so certain.



Of course, I trust in basic scientific truths—those things for which there is overwhelming evidence like, say, gravity; even that humans play a role in the warming of the planet.



But scientists—even the best ones—can get things wrong.…..


……..
the 20th century, some of the most respected scientists in the world, including Nobel Prize winners, believed in eugenics—the reprehensible idea that the human race could be improved by selective breeding. The National Academy of Sciences, the American Medical Association, and the Rockefeller Foundation supported it. By the middle of the century, it had been thoroughly rejected as quackery. No reputable scientist would have anything to do with this idea.



So, we all need to get over this notion that just because someone—be it a politician, a bureaucrat, or even a scientist—employs the phrase "science says" means whatever they're saying is right.



It might be right. But it might also be wrong. And if it's wrong, it won't necessarily be a bunch of scientists who say it's wrong. It might be one guy…….

…….Science is never closed. If it was closed after Newton, you'd never have Einstein. Science has to be, first and always, about pursuing knowledge—not about advancing a social agenda, no matter how noble it might be. Science has no political party.……


……So let's continue to look to science for knowledge—knowledge we can use to improve the world. But let's not fool ourselves that science has all the answers to all our problems.



It doesn't.


If You Can't Question It, Don't Call It Science | PragerU
It is interesting that in the past many of the greatest scientists saw no problem with believing in God existing and studying science
 

JonC

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Just based on this graph, why is there such a big push(??) for boosters. According to this plotting, the second dose virtually eliminated the bug!
So tell me how you decide that this graph is valid, but you still push for boosters; or is this graph lying and the vaxed aren't as protected as shown here????
Smells like a whole pile of bovine excrement in the wood-pile!!
The push is due to the omnicron varient. I'm not sure why such the big push early on (I suspect politics....but then again, time demonstrated a need so it proved correct).

You also have time remember these are rates per 100,000.

The logic you are suggesting is Alzheimer’s disease should be ignored be abuse it kills under 125,000 annually. Diabetes should be ignored because it kills under 88,000 annually.

What you are missing is the value of human life.
 

Two Wings

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The logic you are suggesting is Alzheimer’s disease should be ignored be abuse it kills under 125,000 annually. Diabetes should be ignored because it kills under 88,000 annually.

That’s a projection ...


But I would agree, treating these diseases shouldn’t result in the effects of the response beyond the treatment; which is undoubtedly “as soon as practical” vice an intentional delay to administer ANY treatment beyond “go home.”

That this has been accepted as legitimate medical care is astounding. It has directly contributed to the loss of life. Lives lost which shouldn’t have been lost.

There’ll be accountability for that too. I’m guilty of my own sins, that isn’t one of em.
 

JonC

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That’s a projection ...


But I would agree, treating these diseases shouldn’t result in the effects of the response beyond the treatment; which is undoubtedly “as soon as practical” vice an intentional delay to administer ANY treatment beyond “go home.”

That this has been accepted as legitimate medical care is astounding. It has directly contributed to the loss of life. Lives lost which shouldn’t have been lost.

There’ll be accountability for that too. I’m guilty of my own sins, that isn’t one of em.
No. That is 2019 data.

We have a virus that is killing more people than Alzheimer’s and diabetes. And we have effective vaccines that help to prevent these deaths.

Yet anti-covid-vaxers are fine with treating other diseases, just when it comes to people dying of covid thy believe the millions who have died are mot enough to care.
 

Two Wings

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No. That is 2019 data.

We have a virus that is killing more people than Alzheimer’s and diabetes. And we have effective vaccines that help to prevent these deaths.

Yet anti-covid-vaxers are fine with treating other diseases, just when it comes to people dying of covid thy believe the millions who have died are mot enough to care.
Good grief

You need a proof reader. What you’re writing surely cant be what you mean …
 

Two Wings

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The logic you are suggesting is Alzheimer’s disease should be ignored be abuse it kills under 125,000 annually. Diabetes should be ignored because it kills under 88,000 annually.
I should have specified what is your projection

here.
 

JonC

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I should have specified what is your projection

here.
You confuse consistency with projection. :Wink

People cannot say only 5,410,000 people have died of covid, which is a small percentage of the world population, so no vaccine is even needed and then say we do need treatments for other diseases that result in fewer deaths and maintain a shred of consistency.
 

Two Wings

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People cannot say only 5,410,000 people have died of covid, which is a small percentage of the world population, so no vaccine is even needed
Not me. I have no problem with a vax which was properly vetted. This one wasn’t.

now the CDC et al l have crawfished on the jj but haven’t revoked it
 

JonC

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this. Really???
Yes. Several members have stated that the chances of dying of covid do not warrant prevention because the ratio is so low. I don't know if they are ignorant of the population or just dud not realize how the ratio corresponded to human life.
 

JonC

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Not me. I have no problem with a vax which was properly vetted. This one wasn’t.

now the CDC et al l have crawfished on the jj but haven’t revoked it
Except the vacvines were properly vetted - not to your standard, perhaps, but your standard is not the standered needed to be proper.
 
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