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AustinC

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Walter said:
I guess you mean like the LGBTQIA+ affirming Mennonites??? So many of them are now.

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Indeed. My wife's cousin is a proud female pastor of a Mennonite Rainbow church in St Paul, Minnesota. She also is all in on open theism. That's why I asked which sect within the Mennonite community.
Mennonite Brethren would not agree with that. They are much like free will Baptist churches.
 
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AustinC said:
Indeed. My wife's cousin is a proud female pastor of a Mennonite Rainbow church in St Paul, Minnesota. She also is all in on open theism. That's why I asked which sect within the Mennonite community.
Mennonite Brethren would not agree with that. They are much like free will Baptist churches.
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Agreed. When I was a student at Biola University my favorite bible prof was Mennonite Brethren
 
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Walter said:
However, what 'some nominal Catholics believe' is not what the Church teaches. Many Mennonite churches teach that LGBTQIA+ is 'A-OK'. It is part of their churches teachings.

Does not matter what individual Catholics or even priests, deacons, bishops, etc believe. What the Catholic Church ACTUALLY teaches (Catechism) is what matters. Mennonites churches (just like Baptists) are all over the place in their beliefs. Here is a biggy, can you lose your salvation (as a Mennonite or Baptist) or can't you? I know that most Mennonites/Amish/Hutterite and other Anabaptist believe you can lose your salvation.
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Some Mennonites do. Others don't. One thing about Mennonite churches, in general, is they hold Baptist distinctives.

There was a big split in Mennonite churches over this.

There are Catholic Churches that affirm LGBTQIA+ is 'A-OK'. Perhaps that is not official Catholic doctrine (yet), but it is also not "official" Mennonite doctrine.

Regardless, I have issues with Mennonite churches as well - which is why I am not a Mennonite.
 
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AustinC said:
Indeed. My wife's cousin is a proud female pastor of a Mennonite Rainbow church in St Paul, Minnesota. She also is all in on open theism. That's why I asked which sect within the Mennonite community.
Mennonite Brethren would not agree with that. They are much like free will Baptist churches.
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Yes, I agree. Anabaptists typically affirm what we would call "Baptist distinctives", so one is not necessarily like the other.

I was speaking about doctrine in general (what Anabaotists have in common) and not a particular sect. I have no desire to become a Mennonite. If I did, I would.

But insofar as doctrine goes, I could deal with traditional Mennonite doctrine over many other denominations.

My comment about Arminianism is along the lines that Anabaptists do not look at the Atonement the sane way that Calvinists and traditional Arminians do...so I am not exactly sure how that would look.
 
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@Walter ,

What was your answer to the OP - to the hypothetical question - if you were not a Catholic what denomination-faith would you be?
 
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Walter said:
... Here is a biggy, can you lose your salvation (as a Mennonite or Baptist) or can't you? I know that most Mennonites/Amish/Hutterite and other Anabaptist believe you can lose your salvation.
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Depends on what kind of Baptist!!
 
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As for myself, if not Baptist, and considering where I live, I would probably go with an independent Charismatic church, but not one which held to the Prosperity gospel.
 
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ntchristian said:
what do you think you would be? I thought this might be an interesting discussion, partly fun and partly serious. I asked myself this back when I was Orthodox but before I began an earnest quest for the NT church, assuming in my younger years that the EOC was the original church established by Jesus and the apostles, as I had been taught. My answer for myself at that time was conservative Anglican.

So, I'll be very interested in seeing your answers.
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I'm in that position where no churches exist in my area that I can support with a clear conscience. So I remain isolated and study on my own. My studies led me to the Calvinistic Amillennial Baptist position as being closest to what the bible teaches.
 
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1689Dave said:
I'm in that position where no churches exist in my area that I can support with a clear conscience. So I remain isolated and study on my own. My studies led me to the Calvinistic Amillennial Baptist position as being closest to what the bible teaches.
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Are there any neighbors that would be interested in a Bible study?
 
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Have you asked?
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Our neighborhood recently received an influx of new renters and homeowners. The only ones I know the names of are the two ex-cons shacking up next door that hate me passionately for making their depravity obvious. But the Lord will not neglect even one of His elect.
 
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1689Dave said:
What if it bothers your conscience to support error? It only means I'm a Baptist without compromise.
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It depends on the nature of the compromise.

When we are unwilling to join with people who have different understandings I suspect it is often because we elevate our own.

I would not join a church that supports immorality. But I would set aside my preferences of music and even some doctrinal issues (eschatology, interpretations of deacon qualifications concerning divorce, interpretations of the tithe, and even understandings of the Atonement to some degree). That is part of what it means to be "baptist" (it is a Baptist distinctive).

But we are all saved to be members of a body. If one cannot find a church I suspect the fault is theirs rather than God's.
 
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