If You Woke Up Tomorrow With Supernatural Gifting What Should You Do Biblically?

[atpollard]

And God can do all things right except ...

When is the conversation, any conversation, really about what God CAN do?

God cannot violate His nature and not be God ... that is the only thing that God cannot do. The question is always what does God choose to do from His almost infinite possibilities of choices? The answer is found in His Word (all of it, which becomes the tricky part).

 

[BobRyan]

TCassidy said: ↑
If I woke up tomorrow with what you call "Supernatural Gifting" I would cry out to God to deliver me from the clutches of Satan, the Evil Deceiver.

Because that is what Paul did?

This is what Paul did:

Galatians 1:15-18
King James Version (KJV)

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
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This is what Paul did

1 Cor 14:1 Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy...
18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;

 

[Darrell C]

This is what Paul did

I know, that's why I quoted it.

1 Cor 14:1 Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy...
18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;

This didn't take place all of a sudden.

Quite a bit of time in between and he did not confer with flesh and blood.

And I will await the example of these giftings.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

Calvinism says "He could make you behave right -- if He cared to"

Actually it is God that says that...


Ezekiel 36:27
King James Version (KJV)

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


He cared. That is just a Biblical Truth.


God bless.

 

[BobRyan]

utilyan said: ↑
Calvinism....you are guilty till you admit you are guilty.

Everyone is a dirty rag. And God can do all things right except make you behave right.

Calvinism says "He could make you behave right -- if He cared to"

Actually it is God that says that...
Ezekiel 36:27
King James Version (KJV)
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

He cared. That is just a Biblical Truth.

God bless.

Indeed He cared "God is not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance" 2 Peter 3.
"He came to His own and His own received Him not" John 1:11

Ezek 36
24 For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances. 28 You will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers


Ezek 18
21 “But if the wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions which he has committed will not be remembered against him; because of his righteousness which he has practiced, he will live. 23 Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord God, rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?

24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die. 25 Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not right.’ Hear now, O house of Israel! Is My way not right? Is it not your ways that are not right? 26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and dies because of it, for his iniquity which he has committed he will die. 27 Again, when a wicked man turns away from his wickedness which he has committed and practices justice and righteousness, he will save his life. 28 Because he considered and turned away from all his transgressions which he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 29 But the house of Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not right.’ Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right?

30 “Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct,” declares the Lord God. “Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you.

 

[BobRyan]

This is what Paul did

1 Cor 14:1 Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy...
18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;

This didn't take place all of a sudden.

Quite a bit of time in between and he did not confer with flesh and blood.
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on the contrary - this was 2000 years ago
1 Cor 14:1 Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy...
18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;

 

[Steven Yeadon]

This didn't take place all of a sudden.

Quite a bit of time in between and he did not confer with flesh and blood.

And I will await the example of these giftings

My supernatural abilities are all gone. They went away after praying that anything not of God go away over a few days. I have seen it was the devil and am in deep sorrow over my sin. The ability was one Rick Joyner says he had to write "inspired" documents. You get impressions and a "filling of the holy spirit" feeling. At a later date, I will edit my works to make them utterly biblical, and try to make a free website from there.

 

[Yeshua1]

I have prayed that Yeshua1, at the insistence of John of Japan, who I trust as a true servant of Jesus.

The result is that I have turned on the so called "Baptism of the Holy Spirit." The way it is taught is completely unbiblical and my own "baptism of the holy spirit" was taken away today when I renounced praying for it. Genuine gifts would not disappear if forsaken. I denounced my miracle of "ruach" as well. It is unbiblical to have a prayer or statement given a gust of breath to signify it as important. I also feel a conviction to not try to manipulate the weather anymore.

The problem is that my gift of prophecy has remained.

I myself believe that all the gifts but apostle are for today. I have been reading John MacArthur to help sharpen my views by defending them or changing them. His attack on modern day apostles is spectacular and convinced me to turn on modern day "apostles."

I have to be honest completely though, I have had dreams about the future that always come true ever since becoming a Christian. I even had some of these dreams while an atheist and they convicted me that God, the God of the Christians, was real. These dreams continue today and have small messages that convict me of sins I didn't necessarily realize were there. I thought these dreams were of the devil before as a classical cessationist, but now I view them as from God.

-EDIT-

I am being much more careful with any miraculous gifting and will read up on it from classical cessationists before claiming to have the ability to supernaturally convict or bestow a supernatural feeling.

Draw near to Jesus in prayer, stay in the scriptures, and heed the advice of those who are godly, not those whose mission is to exploit their own names and callings!

 

[Darrell C]

Indeed He cared "God is not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance" 2 Peter 3.
"He came to His own and His own received Him not" John 1:11

Ezek 36
24 For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances. 28 You will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers


Ezek 18
21 “But if the wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions which he has committed will not be remembered against him; because of his righteousness which he has practiced, he will live. 23 Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord God, rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?

24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die. 25 Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not right.’ Hear now, O house of Israel! Is My way not right? Is it not your ways that are not right? 26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and dies because of it, for his iniquity which he has committed he will die. 27 Again, when a wicked man turns away from his wickedness which he has committed and practices justice and righteousness, he will save his life. 28 Because he considered and turned away from all his transgressions which he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 29 But the house of Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not right.’ Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right?

30 “Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct,” declares the Lord God. “Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you.

And the obvious need for the New Covenant was that men could not keep the Covenant of Law.

The life and death in view in Ezekiel 18 is physical, not spiritual. What is in view is they will not be put to death physically...


Hebrews 10:28-29
King James Version (KJV)

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


Men do not obtain eternal life through keeping the Law:


Galatians 3:21-22
King James Version (KJV)

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.



God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

on the contrary - this was 2000 years ago
1 Cor 14:1 Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy...
18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;

The reference was to when Paul was saved and when he began to minister.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

My supernatural abilities are all gone. They went away after praying that anything not of God go away over a few days. I have seen it was the devil and am in deep sorrow over my sin. The ability was one Rick Joyner says he had to write "inspired" documents. You get impressions and a "filling of the holy spirit" feeling. At a later date, I will edit my works to make them utterly biblical, and try to make a free website from there.

I'll be praying for you brother. God holds you in His hand.


God bless.

 

[BobRyan]

New Testament teaching of Paul
1 Cor 14:1 Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy...
18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;

Darrell C said: ↑
This didn't take place all of a sudden.

Quite a bit of time in between and he did not confer with flesh and blood.

In between what?

The reference was to when Paul was saved and when he began to minister.
God bless.

Certainly by the time he gets to writing letters to Corinth - he is writing under inspiration from God the Holy Spirit - infallible doctrine.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Draw near to Jesus in prayer, stay in the scriptures, and heed the advice of those who are godly, not those whose mission is to exploit their own names and callings!

Yeshua1, the prayers of this board worked. My supernatural abilities are all gone. They went away after praying that anything not of God go away over a few days. I have seen it was the devil and am in deep sorrow over my sin. Below is a group of posts I made on my journey out of the Charismatic movement for the last time. I have been given the miracle of demonic counterfeits going away.

Here is a thread I started that explains things.

Thank You for Your Prayers, I Have Left IHOPKC, I Have Lost My so-called "Spiritual Gifts"

Wow, I have prayed for the "gift of miracles" to go away if it is not of God, and it to has left. I no longer have the ability to confer feelings of conviction or unexplained sensation.

I am now almost back to classical cessationism and the view that the Charismatic movement was entirely a Satanic ploy to trick people with counterfeit signs and wonders, which would mark it, according to 2 Thessalonians 2, as in cahoots with the secret power of lawlessness and possibly of the Man of Lawlessness himself in time. I still don't believe this though, and I will must now go do even more research on two topics:

1. Prophecy
2. IHOPKC

I do know that I was allowed to be deceived as a Christian due to my refusal, in my case, to love hard truths of the Gospel (2 Thessalonians 2:10).

I have given up IHOPKC and a huge oppressive force has left my life. That force has existed in my life since 2012 when I originally joined the IHOPKC movement and was part of it until the BB convinced me to be a classical cessationist. All of my supernatural seeming gifts are now gone except for "prophecy."

I must be candid though, I have received accurate predictions of the future in dreams or from a voice. These dreams or voice always predict perfectly, and for me to have any accurate predictions at all is to be in a non-cessationist world. The problem has been my James Goll style prophecies that use my senses. Those are wildly inaccurate many times it seems. The truth is these displays of power by the Holy Spirit are very rare and scared me so much I ran.

That said, I do not believe prophecy is something you practice at, it is God gives you something or doesn't. I have traditionally rarely prophesied anything though. I would never in my mind think of this as Charismatic or Pentecostal, it is more in line with someone like Perpetua and the many stories of church history where a person in affliction is given a spectacular gift. Something that to me makes sense since I have lived in agonizing misery for ten years now due to seizures, migraines, paranoid schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, anxiety, panic attacks, and much more.

I think the devil tricked me all along. I have one question of my dreams of the future and predictions. Why are they so private? Isn't prophecy for the Church? I also understand that there are many people who have suffered far more than I, who were more faithful Christians and never got an ounce of prophecy. Not to mention it is prideful to think we earn spiritual gifts.

I am reminded of William Branham's story of divine encounters. They all seem unbiblical and the nature of his revelatory encounters tells me there was something going wrong, that they were counterfeit. I have confronted the spirit giving me these predictions and told them that if they will not give me anything to actually lead people to Jesus then go! They seem to have gone. I was addicted to charismatic gifts, I can feel it now that they are gone.

Thank you for your prayers.

 

[Yeshua1]

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

While indeed, that which passes as standard miracles, etc and 'gifts' among the pentecostals, charismatics, and etc, is indeed a deceiving 'false fire' [Revelation 13:13 KJB], a counterfeit pentecost and counterfeit latter rain, do not think that the true does not exist today in the world [latter rain is not yet here, but the season is soon], otherwise why would satan need to counterfeit these things so much [Revelation 16:13 KJB], and why would Jesus warn about false [Matthew 24:4, 24-26; Mark 13:5,22; Luke 21:8, and Paul, Acts 20:29,30, etc], if He was not fulfilling His promise to send the true [Matthew 23:34; 1 Corinthians 12-14; Ephesians 4; 1 Timothy 4:14; James 1:17; 1 Peter 4:10 KJB, etc]? Remember, satan always sends the false ahead of the true, trying to trap as many as possible. Think of the many false messiahs satan sent before [and even after] the true Messiah. see people like Theudas, Judas of Galilee, Barabas, the Egyptian, and the zealots [attempting by force to overthrow the Romans and fulfill prophecy], king Herod [the voice of a god and not a man; Acts 12:22 KJB], even the highpriests in their hearts [Annas and Caiaphas, they literally thought that they were saving the nation by putting Jesus to death, and later the disciples] etc [see Acts 5:36,37, 21:38 KJB], for satan was attempting to head off the prophecy in Daniel 11:14 KJB, "... the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.", for satan is a student of prophecy, that he might try to thwart God's perfect plan [all those that arose up claimed to be "somebody"; see also Daniel 8:23; Psalms 17:4; Isaiah 35:9; Jeremiah 7:11; Matthew 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46; Isaiah 1:23; John 10:1,8,10, 18:40; Hosea 7:1; Ezekiel 7:33, 18:10; Hosea 4:2; Acts 21:38; Isaiah 1:2; Acts 4:36,37 KJB].

We have now the much more sure word of the scriptures, which are always the truth of God, so no more needs to have those signs and wonders gifts distributed in the church. God can still do healings. miracles even today when it is His will, but its Him doing them, and no one gifted by him to do them!
Ellen white also failed the test of a true prophet of God....

 

[Yeshua1]

I think the devil tricked me all along. I have one question of my dreams of the future and predictions. Why are they so private? Isn't prophecy for the Church? I also understand that there are many people who have suffered far more than I, who were more faithful Christians and never got an ounce of prophecy. Not to mention it is prideful to think we earn spiritual gifts.

I am reminded of William Branham's story of divine encounters. They all seem unbiblical and the nature of his revelatory encounters tells me there was something going wrong, that they were counterfeit. I have confronted the spirit giving me these predictions and told them that if they will not give me anything to actually lead people to Jesus then go! They seem to have gone. I was addicted to charismatic gifts, I can feel it now that they are gone.

Thank you for your prayers.

The gift of prophecy was given by the Holy Spirit to theChurch at a time when there was no recorded down theology as in the NT scriptures, so he was sure to make sure the doctrine being passed around was the correct one, as he had the Apostles/prophets inspired and there to make sure only right theology stuck!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yeshua1, the prayers of this board worked. My supernatural abilities are all gone. They went away after praying that anything not of God go away over a few days. I have seen it was the devil and am in deep sorrow over my sin. Below is a group of posts I made on my journey out of the Charismatic movement for the last time. I have been given the miracle of demonic counterfeits going away.

Here is a thread I started that explains things.

Thank You for Your Prayers, I Have Left IHOPKC, I Have Lost My so-called "Spiritual Gifts"

seek out a good bible believing Church, find a cell group that will encourage and support you, especially see if any of them were ex charasmatics now recovering from "Charasmatic Chaos"

 

[Revmitchell]

seek out a good bible believing Church, find a cell group that will encourage and support you, especially see if any of them were ex charasmatics now recovering from "Charasmatic Chaos"

He has a plan in place

 

[One Baptism]

We have now the much more sure word of the scriptures, which are always the truth of God, so no more needs to have those signs and wonders gifts distributed in the church. God can still do healings. miracles even today when it is His will, but its Him doing them, and no one gifted by him to do them!

Ellen white also failed the test of a true prophet of God....

Jesus, Peter, James, John and Paul and all the others also had the sure word, which is what they quoted from ["It is written ..."], and so it didn't end such things as prophets, tongues, miracles, etc, which were given even moreso when He ascended on high:

Ephesians 4:8 KJB - Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.​

As for sister White, could you please be specific in how you think she failed the "test of a true prophet"? First of what do you think the "test" is, and how do you think she failed this test? Please be specific so that it may be examined carefully. If you cannot provide such examples, how am I or any to take your claim seriously, other than simple prejudice and apriori bias? Give your best example please, and let us look.

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus, Peter, James, John and Paul and all the others also had the sure word, which is what they quoted from ["It is written ..."], and so it didn't end such things as prophets, tongues, miracles, etc, which were given even moreso when He ascended on high:

Ephesians 4:8 KJB - Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.​

As for sister White, could you please be specific in how you think she failed the "test of a true prophet"? First of what do you think the "test" is, and how do you think she failed this test? Please be specific so that it may be examined carefully. If you cannot provide such examples, how am I or any to take your claim seriously, other than simple prejudice and apriori bias? Give your best example please, and let us look.

She denies Pauline Justification, as she added good works to Grace, denies the validity of the death of Christ to eternally secure salivation, as we must face an investigative judgement to see if we still merit salvation, added Sabbath and Diet keeping unto Grace, claimed to have the word of the Lord, even though NO added revelation has come from god ceased John died!

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Well now that I have been saved miraculously form the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and its leaders, I realize now that I had two footholds for the devil.

The first is that I thought there was a Church within the Church that was doctrinally pure. However, i was prideful and assumed that I could figure out who was really of God or error on my own with a simple reading of the bible, which is a fool's errand.

I concluded that there was no doctrinally pure Church by relying on my own mind, and I started to distance myself from modern Christianity in my pride. I thus isolated myself and stopped attending church. I thought I knew what a pure Church looked like given my biblical and theological studies. So, how did I know who was real in the end: subjective experience that bore no fruit in the lives of others! I let knowledge and foolishness puff me up so much that the first elitist church movement that told me I was right, and that they were the real and pure Church I was waiting for, duped me.

Second, I let my supernatural experiences trump a down to earth and literal reading of the bible.

I refused to notice that in having and using all of my "charismatic gifts," that I did not want to read the bible anymore or even pray. My whole life was 95% service to others with my gifts. As Revmitchell told me: prayer, study, and service should be equal in my life.

I talked earlier of a test of "Charismatic gifts" but I was unwilling to look at my abilities with a sober mind.

Thus so far I have:

1. Does it bring fame to God and not man? (1 Peter 4:10-11)
2. Does it lead people to Jesus? (Acts 2)
3. Does it strengthen me? (Romans 1:11)
4. Does it testify to Jesus? (John 15:26)
5. Does it benefit others? (1 Corinthians 12:7)

Only one of these is in fact fulfilled, and then only in small part: People said I benefited them with my gifts, but only those in NAR churches. My abilities never made people look at Jesus Christ, did not testify to Jesus Christ, did not strengthen me, and led no one to Jesus.