IF Your baptist church changed from ceasing to still for today Gifts Wld You depart?

[mandym]

Think that there are 3 primary reason why:
First, when the Lord Jesus was here on earth, and His Apostles immediatly afterwards, those Gifts were used to fulfill OT prophecies concerning signs/tongues unto gentiles, also, were used to confirm Jesus as Being Messiah, Apostles as sent by God

I agree

Second when canon officially closed, offices Apostles/Prophets already had been closed, so no more functioning as 'reveltion" from god

That was not the whole of their role. But no one today would qualify anyhow.

Third, was that the Gifts of/From the Spirit DO need to be done to Biblical order/principles, and has to be discerned wether "real or counterfeit"and MUCH of that today is sorely lacking in Church

This could only be true if it were true of every single person in the church. And I do not believe that to be the case.

 

[mcdirector]

I am super-sensitive to anything that might create division in my congregation. If my pastor expressed an openness as in the OP, I would wait to see how it played out in the life of the church.

I can't see how it would result in anything but a divided congregation. The minute that division manifests itself, I'm outa there.

Same here!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Think that there are 3 primary reason why:
First, when the Lord Jesus was here on earth, and His Apostles immediatly afterwards, those Gifts were used to fulfill OT prophecies concerning signs/tongues unto gentiles, also, were used to confirm Jesus as Being Messiah, Apostles as sent by God
Second when canon officially closed, offices Apostles/Prophets already had been closed, so no more functioning as 'reveltion" from god
Third, was that the Gifts of/From the Spirit DO need to be done to Biblical order/principles, and has to be discerned wether "real or counterfeit"and MUCH of that today is sorely lacking in Church

So in other words you dont feel that HS Gifts & Visitations actually exist.....is that what your saying?

If it is then could you explain to me all those testimonials of Revivals & of men like Whitefield & Moody & Wesley?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I pretty much agree with you which is why I framed it as an if-then statement. IF they started practicing them, THEN I would leave.

However, the OP question was: If your pastor said he was "open to the idea that [the gifts] might still be in operation....would you leave?" Well, no, I wouldn't leave if the pastor said he might be open to the idea that the gifts were valid today. I'd have to wait and see where that openness led to.

yes there I would agree.

 

[Old Union Brother]

God Bless you Jeff.....personally you are one man that Id consider using as a mentor if I was ever able to get a church going up here in the Christian desert.

Thank you & have a great w/e

Steve

I sincerely hope that God blesses you to get a church planted up there. I will be praying to that end. I appreciate your kind words and I hope you have a blessed weekend in the Lord.

Peace and Prayers

Jeff

 

[Tom Butler]

Tom...you should be super sensitive. But like anything else, I would sincerely hope that the person introducing anything controversial into the church would explain it & justify it through Scripture vs ramming it down someones throat. Like anything else Tom, we as Christians are all growing through the instruction of the HS & through his Scripture. Now were you always a Calvinist & just how does a blended theology church affect your present situation? Right.

Have a good w/e.

Thanks, and you as well.

I understand that we ought always to be open to instruction through the Word and enlightening by the Holy Spirit. There are a few issues, particularly in eschatology where my official position is "this is where I am right now. I might not be there tomorrow."

I suppose the gifts of the Spirit fall into that category. Right now, I believe that God may allow a missionary to speak in a language he's never learned (as on the day of Pentecost). I believe God can supernaturally heal someone without the aid of doctors or medicines. I have seen it happen, unilaterally without using any human.

I also believe that if one has the gift of healing, he has it all the time, and that divine healing is not dependent on the faith of the one who is healed, nor upon the faith of the one who supposedly has the gift.

That said, I do not believe all the gifts are operational as they were in apostolic times.

Now, on some other issues, my mind is made up and I don't plan to change. I will always believe salvation is through repentance and faith, baptism is for believers only by immersion, and Jesus is coming again.

But the older I get, the less set in my ways I am about stuff I was pretty rigid about in you younger days.

 

[JesusFan]

So in other words you dont feel that HS Gifts & Visitations actually exist.....is that what your saying?

Nope...
have been used by the Lord in varying Gifts over the years...
What I AM saying is that MUCH of what is currently being done/said/allowed in pentacostal/Charasmatic circles is NOT of/from the Lord, as the doctrines are NOT biblical... See word of faith. modern day apsoles/prophets/name it claim it etc...
DO say that there are real gifts today, but they MUST function as outlined in Bible, must have correct doctrines associated with their use, and must NEVER add/to/supercede word of God in the Bible...

remember, satan love to counterfeit the teuth, and make it a lie. there are real Spiritual Gifts, and use for them, But MUST always be done right way...
MUCH of what is going on today is under heading "spiritual counterfeiting" true gifts...

If it is then could you explain to me all those testimonials of Revivals & of men like Whitefield & Moody & Wesley?

Believe in them, its just that the Gospel will still save, regardless IF signs and wonders are part of it!