Ignorance-OK, Ignorance+Arrogance- EVIL

[dcorbett]

from Wikipedia:

Alcohol
Further information: Teetotalism
Teetotalism is the practice and promotion of complete abstinence from alcoholic beverages.
Some common reasons for choosing teetotalism are religious, health, family, philosophical and/or social reasons, and, sometimes, as simply a matter of taste preference. When at drinking establishments, they either abstain from drinking or consume non-alcoholic beverages such as tea, coffee, water, juice, and soft drinks.
Contemporary and colloquial usage has somewhat expanded teetotalism to include strict abstinence from most "recreational" intoxicants (legal and illegal, see controlled substances). Most teetotaller organizations also demand from their members that they do not promote or produce alcoholic intoxicants.

 

[Luke2427]

from Wikipedia:

Alcohol
Further information: Teetotalism
Teetotalism is the practice and promotion of complete abstinence from alcoholic beverages.
Some common reasons for choosing teetotalism are religious, health, family, philosophical and/or social reasons, and, sometimes, as simply a matter of taste preference. When at drinking establishments, they either abstain from drinking or consume non-alcoholic beverages such as tea, coffee, water, juice, and soft drinks.
Contemporary and colloquial usage has somewhat expanded teetotalism to include strict abstinence from most "recreational" intoxicants (legal and illegal, see controlled substances). Most teetotaller organizations also demand from their members that they do not promote or produce alcoholic intoxicants.

And?

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Is any of this in dispute?

what's your point?

 

[dcorbett]

You insist that abstaining and teetotalism are different...and they are not.

That is my point....What's yours? To drink.

 

[Luke2427]

You insist that abstaining and teetotalism are different...and they are not.

That is my point....What's yours? To drink.

They are different and nothing in that wiki article says otherwise.

Teetotalism is abstaining.

But all who abstain are not teetotalers.

It's like all preaching is teaching but not all teaching is preaching.

An abstainer can believe with all of his heart that God made the wine which makes the heart of man merry. He can believe that it is every Christian's liberty to drink all he wants in moderation.

All he is doing is choosing to PERSONALLY abstain.

Teetotalers are people who not ONLY abstain themselves but also believe that all should abstain.

This is from Theopedia:

Teetotalism is the principle or practice of complete abstinence from alcoholic beverages. A person who practices this is a teetotaler.1

In Christianity this is attributed to groups of Christians who believe that drinking alcohol is a sin in that it detracts from our walk with Christ

 

[saturneptune]

I like Earl Grey tea, no sugar! I'm into green tea now though, makes up for all that beer I don't drink.:laugh:

That is the number one beverage of Democrats (the tea that is).

 

[Bob Alkire]

That is the number one beverage of Democrats (the tea that is).

I know you made OldRegulars day on this one, ha, ha.

 

[Skandelon]

Teetotalers are people who not ONLY abstain themselves but also believe that all should abstain.

I think this relates closely with gun ownership and the views of liberals versus conservatives.

Their are many conservatives who choose not to own or use guns, but they respect the right of others to own and use them responsibly. Liberals choose to abstain from owning guns and try to impose that onto everyone else.

Any argument which uses the logic of liberalism should be suspect.

 

[Luke2427]

He is slamming people who are ignorant enough to think that it is a sin to not abstain from meats and ARROGANT enough to PREACH such nonsense.

Read I Timothy 4.

The weakness he is referring to in Romans and in Corinthians is ignorance. I Corinthians he talks about two groups of people in the passage about weakness. There are the "weaker brothers" and there are those who "have knowledge."

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what the weakness is that he is referring to there.




Madness.

I'll tell you what. The next major surgery you have, live what you preach here.

Go to a shaman instead of a surgeon who has training.

Find a very HUMBLE shaman and let him cut you open.


I said arrogance was bad. But it becomes exponentially worse when it resides in the breast of an idiot.

I got an infraction for this post and I see why. It is justified.

However, I do want to explain that I was not calling Aaron an idiot.

I was making a general remark about the danger of arrogance abiding in the breast of idiots.

But the way I said it was not clear enough and it could very easily have been taken as though I was directly referring to Aaron with that statement.


I want to apologize publicly for that.

I meant what I said, I just did not mean what it appeared I was saying and I should have been clearer and the lack of clarity was my fault.

Thanks for understanding.

God bless!

 

[saturneptune]

I got an infraction for this post and I see why. It is justified.

However, I do want to explain that I was not calling Aaron an idiot.

I was making a general remark about the danger of arrogance abiding in the breast of idiots.

But the way I said it was not clear enough and it could very easily have been taken as though I was directly referring to Aaron with that statement.


I want to apologize publicly for that.

I meant what I said, I just did not mean what it appeared I was saying and I should have been clearer and the lack of clarity was my fault.

Thanks for understanding.

God bless!

It does not appear to me you called anyone an idiot. Having said that, I am sure it is the word "idiot" that caused the infraction. I got one several months ago when the threads about depression and mental illness were going around. It was over these threads that I did call someone that. I work at a mental health center helping adults learn life skills, basic education classes, and learning to get along in the community. The infraction drops from your record after 21 days.

 

[Aaron]

I got an infraction for this post and I see why. It is justified.

However, I do want to explain that I was not calling Aaron an idiot.

I was making a general remark about the danger of arrogance abiding in the breast of idiots.

But the way I said it was not clear enough and it could very easily have been taken as though I was directly referring to Aaron with that statement.


I want to apologize publicly for that.

I meant what I said, I just did not mean what it appeared I was saying and I should have been clearer and the lack of clarity was my fault.

Thanks for understanding.

God bless!

I certainly didn't take it that way. Did someone report the post? I didn't.

 

[Skandelon]

Just for the record, I'm not the moderator who gave the infraction just in case someone is wondering...

 

[Luke2427]

I certainly didn't take it that way. Did someone report the post? I didn't.

I am glad that you didn't take it that way. I didn't think you reported it.


I hope we are able to discuss this and even get heated (if we feel strongly we probably should) and maybe even be insulting (though not ok) and still come together on the main things.


I get angry.

I think it is very obvious others get very angry with me.

But we ought to be ABLE to do so and still be ok with each other.

To avoid heated debate is a terrible mistake, in my opinion.

That said, I am all for moderators keeping it in check when they do so on principle and not personal reasons.