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Ignore Judas Iscariot As a Thief?

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Hark

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John 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, 5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? 6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. KJV

This seems to be that they had knowledge of what Judas Iscariot was doing at some point in His ministry so why was it ignored? I know Judas Iscariot was prophesied to be the traitor as chosen by Him to be among them, but why didn't Jesus had someone else handle the bag for the poor?

I would say that because Jesus is Lord, and in spite of all the evils in the world ripping off the poor even, He still provides.

That is why employees being ripped off by their employers are encouraged to suffer being defrauded and trust the Lord to help them to be content and to provides for them for what they need. James warns the rich for doing this in James 45:1-6 and he offers encouragement for those defrauded not to grudge against their employers, but forgive them and to suffer in the hopes they may repent for defrauding them. James 5:7-11

James 5:1Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. 2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. 3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. 4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. 5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. 6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. 9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. 10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. 11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
 

Hark

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I wonder how much was hindsight (on the part of the Disciples).

But then, hindsight would mean they had noted it and ignored it, would they not?

Surely one of the disciples in seeing that, would get mad and take the bag from him to make sure the poor gets help, but knowing Him & His words, I can see why Jesus was not offended by it, and why His disciples did nothing, because Jesus did nothing about it.

Then we have the rest of scripture in the N.T. telling us to suffer being defrauded and trust in the Father to provide for us.
 

JonC

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But then, hindsight would mean they had noted it and ignored it, would they not?

Surely one of the disciples in seeing that, would get mad and take the bag from him to make sure the poor gets help, but knowing Him & His words, I can see why Jesus was not offended by it, and why His disciples did nothing, because Jesus did nothing about it.

Then we have the rest of scripture in the N.T. telling us to suffer being defrauded and trust in the Father to provide for us.
Or they noted the event but not the motivation.

I can see them looking back and attributing Judas' actions to his spirit (discovered later).
 

Hark

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Or they noted the event but not the motivation.

I can see them looking back and attributing Judas' actions to his spirit (discovered later).

Not sure how anyone can judge someone as stealing in the past unless they knew he was stealing in the past.
 

Hark

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Now hindsight really is 2020.

And @JonC

But when this was written? But then again, the gospels were written as inspired by the Holy Ghost so it could very well have been revealed in that way.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Since we prophesy in part & know in part, I reckon we shall know later on, but Jesus had to have known and for all the scripture in the N.T. that testify in regards to being defrauded and trusting in the Father to provide for us for why we are to be content, has t be why Jesus did not act on it then and He knew Judas Iscariot was of the devil to betray Him as he was not a believer.

John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. 70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? 71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
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Thank you both for sharing.
 

Hark

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How old are you?

It does not matter anyway because of this;

1 Timothy 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.

We are to prove al things by Jesus Christ regardless of how old we are or even when reaching that age of senility either since wisdom comes from the Lord.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us.
 

JonC

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Not sure how anyone can judge someone as stealing in the past unless they knew he was stealing in the past.
I has an issue with office supplies going missing. I did not think much about it until an associate was caught shoplifting to provide her church with office supplies. I saw her leaving my office a few times carrying a bag (it was an open office with a copier) but did not put one and one together until the shoplifting incident.
 

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