My Dr said don't get the vax and don't wear a mask. So, there ya go.
You all over the place. You say follow CDC. Then you say, no don't follow them. You make no sense. You say whatever is convenient. No truth. No consistency.
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You all over the place. You say follow CDC. Then you say, no don't follow them. You make no sense. You say whatever is convenient. No truth. No consistency.
There you go.
Your confusion doesn’t have any bearing on whether or not I am confused.
I think CDC advisories are minimum standards.
I’ve never said that.
The CDC guidelines do not overrule an MD’s advice to a specific patient.
Nope, that’s you.
You say follow the CDC then, no just follow a Dr. That's stupid. Anyone can find a Dr who will tell them anything. I have a friend whose Dr seems to think he needs enough HGH and Testosterone to turn him into a freak of nature. CDC is not a minimum recommendation. They are the authority on vaccines. You made the stupid mistake of using your aunt, or whoever, and you didn't know she can be vaccinated according to CDC. You now trying to do damage control and showing your inconsistency to all.
You have a bad case of bipolar thinking. Following the CDC unless overridden by a doctor is not being inconsistent.
Right. That’s why one has to be careful. I’ve had bad doctors myself. That’s why only listening to doctors who tell you what you want to hear is extremely dangerous.
For the public, following guidance without the aid of a doctor, it is.
Sure. That’s why we should pay attention. But they do not (and cannot) consider every situation and determine the best course of treatment for every potential patient.
You are right that I had not looked at the guidance from the CDC regarding who can receive the vaccine, but I would trust a specialist who had been competently treating me for years. My own doctor pushed me very strongly to get the vaccine as soon as possible because of my weakened immune system.
My aunt’s doctor told her something else. I’m not a moron who is going to try to practice medicine on my aunt just because I read something on the CDC’s website. The specialist who is treating her will know best.
You seem to think this is about winning arguments. If your doctor told you not to take it, then don’t take it. But don’t practice medicine on other people based on your limited knowledge.
There you go, changing the topic.
No one here is practicing medicine. You, me, and your aunt trust her specialist. CDC says vax does not cause blood clots. Either your aunt's specialist is an idiot or CDC is telling lies. My money is on the CDC is telling lies. Her specialist knows all 3 vaxes cause blood clots. CDC won't admit it.
There is a high propaganda war going on. I got a script filled earlier this week. My pharmacist put it in a bag from GA DPH. The bag was about getting the vaccine. First thing it said was "Vaccine is safe. It will not harm you.". I think that is a far stretch, don't you? Of govt would just tell the truth, public would be more likely to believe them. Vaccinations are not safe, they are calculated risks. Honest data needs to be made available for us to use to make that calculation for ourselves.
A vet I know has "gulf war syndrome " His doc told him it's from the vaxes he took pre-deployment.
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I don't think I am taking any lumps.hey you’re the one engaging him so take your lumps like a man
His position is like that of the rest of the Democrats, changing 180 degrees every day.
im sorry I wasn’t clear. By lumps I didn’t mean he was beating your argument. I meant you were having to tolerate the stupid replies.
I’m not changing the subject, I’m correcting your errors.
When you attempt to override my aunt’s specialist with your interpretation of the CDC website, you are giving medical advice. I realize that you are not, in reality, doing that, but in your zeal to “win” an argument at all costs, you are giving medical guidance.
True.
Specifically, the rDNA vaccines.
There’s at least a third option, and it is certainly the correct one. In your medical ignorance, you have assumed that when I say “a blood clotting disorder” that I mean she is prone to developing blood clots. I have made no such assumption and, frankly, do not know specifically what type of blood clotting disorder she has. She is extremely private about such things.
She also has a heart condition that includes irregular heartbeats, requiring a pacemaker. Every woman on my mother’s side of the family has died from a sudden heart attack for the last 150 years, with the exception of a great-aunt of mine who was killed by a mortar round into her apartment building during the siege of Sarajevo. My own mother is the only one we know who does not seem to have a heart issue. Her specialist advised her not to get an rDNA vaccine because of some issues with heart patients. I do not have details on that either.
Of course! You know better than anyone else! It’s all an evil scheme. (Does that make you feel better?)
It’s true for most people. You are pretending/assuming that COVID-19 vaccination is reckless.
As I mentioned earlier, there is a list of questions when one gets the vaccine, as well as oral questions by a nurse before the stick. I don’t remember all of them, but I was specifically asked if I had a history of steroid use. I explained that I had Cushing’s Disease for at least 17 years which gave me highly elevated cortisol that caused all sorts of health problems. The nurse verified that my cortisol levels were back within a normal range before she vaccinated me.
That’s not true at all. I have told you the truth and you do not believe me. You are predisposed not to trust people you disagree with.
Like everything else in the world. In terms of calculated risks, the risks are extremely low for most people.
It’s out there. However, you don’t seem to have the expertise to interpret it. I don’t either. That’s why we have experts to guide us.
As I understand it, Gulf War syndrome may well have come from preventative chemical warfare agents given as a preventative measure for those soldiers who were likely to be exposed to chemical weapons, as well as exposure to the pollution from massive oil well fires from Saddam Hussein’s “scorched earth” retreat policy.
That’s a very different thing.
(1) Not a Democrat, but you make a good case for people to join the Democratic Party.
(2) I haven't changed position. I think the wild and false mental caricatures you have formed of me change all the time, but that's in your head, not in reality. I don't neatly fit into your little categories, so you mistakenly assume I'm flip-flopping.
Both he and you could quite making false accusations and I would feel no need to respond. But apparently you both feel compelled to do so.
You are desperate to the point of deception. CDC lists no blood clotting conditions as reason not to take Vax. CDC does not list heart rhythm either. My father has AFib and flutter. Has had organ transplant. His team of doctors told him to get vax if he didn't have antibodies.
Just admit that the specialist is not in agreement with written CDC guidelines. You can't do that because you would be admitting you are wrong.
You the one making the false accusations.
Read what you write. You flip flop often. If you think like a democrat, act like a democrat and constantly defend Democrat policy; you are a Democrat?
Join the Democrat party for all I care. You would fit in perfectly.
Um... no.
I am not desperate. The only thing I am feeling is irritation.
I'm irritated because you are making false claims and pretending I hold positions I do not.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm truly sorry to hear that.
That's good. He should get it then.
The specialist is not "in agreement" with the way you interpret the CDC written guidelines as somehow overruling all specific medical recommendations for specific patients with unusual presentations.
I haven't claimed anything else.
Since I have been repeatedly pointing out that the CDC is no replacement for a specialist specifically advising a patient with an unusual presentation, your assertion I am wrong is ridiculous.
If your ego demands that I admit I am wrong, I've been wrong about plenty of things before. This is not one of those times. Your perceptions were wrong -- can you admit that possibility?
I have. I kept going back to figure out how you have misunderstood me, but I don't see it and you won't cite a specific post. Since you haven't cited anything specific and I can't find it, I have to assume the issue is between the keyboard and the chair on your side.
Actually, I don't. I am very slow to change my mind.
I don't know. How does a Democrat think and act? I don't know. For that matter, I don't know how a Republican thinks and acts. I know how Christians and responsible people are supposed to think and act, and I work on doing that.
In matters of policy, I don't care who is promoting it, I look at how it is written and how it will affect the nation and world. I am not a "team player" in politics. Frankly, for a Christian to submit her or his mind and convictions to a political party is idolatry.
At the moment, it is the only major political party that is sane and supports the Constitution. But otherwise, I don't fit any political party very well since I am a Christian.
You are wrong. Plain and simple. Your aunt's doctor is right. You are wrong because you were all about the CDC recommendations untilllllllll this particular case. You then admit you didn't even know what the recommendations were.
If you think the Democrats support The Constitution of The United States, you are beyond hope.
Keep screaming that until you wear yourself out and fall asleep. Maybe you'll feel better tomorrow.
I agree.
I am still "all about" the CDC's recommendations. Just because you cannot process that I can affirm both the CDC guidelines and the priority of the local doctor to determine, in his/her professional opinion, the acceptability of treatment for a patient, knowing their full medical history, conditions, medication, and the way these things interact.
There is no contradiction.
I plainly told you I didn't know what the specific recommendations were regarding persons with blood clotting disorders because I have not had need to look them up. My aunt told me that was what her doctor recommended and I simply accepted what she said. Why did I do that? Because I trust my aunt and her doctor.
Why is all this so hard for you to comprehend?