illegal music downloads

[Baptist in Richmond]

Travelsong:

Greetings from BEAUTIFUL Palm Beach, FL. Believe it or not, I am here on BUSINESS!!!

I saw that you posted your address out here in this discussion, and decided to send you a post card to say hello. Sorry: I could't resist.

Hope you are doing well, Brother,

BiR

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Originally posted by Travelsong:
There is no practical difference between borrowing a cd from a friend and deciding not to purchase it for myself, or taking a burnt cd from a friend and deciding not to purchase it for myself.

In either case the artists and recording/distribution companies would never have gotten a dime of my money regardless. I simply listened to the music and decided not to purchase it.

I disagree. If you borrow the CD, it can only be played by the person who has physical possession. If you have a COPY, you and your friend can both play it simultaneously.

 

[Travelsong]

Originally posted by Baptist in Richmond:
Travelsong:

Greetings from BEAUTIFUL Palm Beach, FL. Believe it or not, I am here on BUSINESS!!!

I saw that you posted your address out here in this discussion, and decided to send you a post card to say hello. Sorry: I could't resist.

Thanks! Can't wait to get it!

Hope you are doing well, Brother,

BiR

 

[Travelsong]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
I disagree. If you borrow the CD, it can only be played by the person who has physical possession. If you have a COPY, you and your friend can both play it simultaneously.

Aahh, but if I don't like it I am not listening to it, which in essence is the same as not buying or stealing the use of a product.

The music contained on the ten burned cd's I have in my possession is the same whether it exists or not.

If I did like it I would purchase it, which is exactly what I did with Beck's latest album.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by Travelsong:
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If someone has 1200 CDs and 10 of them consist of stolen songs, that person is still a thief.

In the technical sense of the law yes. In reality, no.

</font>[/QUOTE]And being a technical thief is okay how?

How would this apply to other, more heinous crimes - "Well, technically he us a rapist, but not in reality?"

A thief is a thief is a thief - even if it is only one stolen song.

 

[Ben W]

What I wonder is how many of us are using P.C's that have Burnt Software on them? Well here is a poll so we can find out!

http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/39/1458.html?

 

[Travelsong]

Originally posted by C4K:
And being a technical thief is okay how?

How would this apply to other, more heinous crimes - "Well, technically he us a rapist, but not in reality?"

A thief is a thief is a thief - even if it is only one stolen song.

I meant technically in the sense that the law views it as theft. In reality there is no difference between borrowing a cd and deciding not to listen to it again or buy it, or doing the same with a burnt cd.

It's illegal yes, but it is not theft. If I was to continue listening to it or make use of it without paying for it then yes, that would be theft.

I freely admit that it is an unjustifiable rationale, but at the same time it is no different than driving 65 in a 55 or double parking, or taking an odd job under the table to make ends meet when you know you can get away with it.

Sorry, I have a voracious musical appetite. I like to hear as much as I can, and when I like something I hear, I buy it. Before I left the Navy I had 3000+ cd's which were all stolen in transition. Darn tootin' I've paid my dues.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Travelsong,

I'm not trying to pick on you, but look at it this way. Musicians and songwriters deserve to be paid for their work, just like everyone else. Would you like it if people stole your work because they could do it. It is so easy to steal online, but how is that different that going to the record store and slipping a CD in your pocket? Just because you haven't taken any physical item doesn't matter. The value is in the "software" not the plastic CD.

 

[Travelsong]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
Travelsong,

I'm not trying to pick on you, but look at it this way. Musicians and songwriters deserve to be paid for their work, just like everyone else. Would you like it if people stole your work because they could do it. It is so easy to steal online, but how is that different that going to the record store and slipping a CD in your pocket? Just because you haven't taken any physical item doesn't matter. The value is in the "software" not the plastic CD.

I don't think you've been paying attention so I'll provide another illustration.

Last week someone from work lent me an album from a band called The Tractors. Lately I've been trying to find some grittier sounding country music and this stuff is definately not it, so I will return the album and will not buy it.

If he had given me a burned copy of the album guess what would have happened? It would have ended up in the trash or in a box or on a shelf somewhere collecting dust.

In both cases I do not like the album, and will never use, listen or purchase the album so neither the artist or the recording company have lost any money.

 

[Bro. James Reed]

When I was in school, the teachers would many times make a xerox copy of an article or a story from a magazine or a book of some kind to be used during the class. I'm sure most of you have seen the same thing. Did the teachers ever get written permission from the publisher and/or artist for doing so?

How many of you have movies on your shelves that you recorded on the TV? Did you know that is just as illegal as recording a song?

Have you ever recorded a majr league ball game? That is illegal as well.

Have you ever sped down the highway? You're a criminal.

Have you ever turned without using your blinker? You broke the law.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I'll guarantee you that no one, if being true to that verse of scripture, could pick up a stone against Travelsong.

I have used both Kazaa and Napster to download music before. I can tell you now, it isn't worth it. All of the junk that comes through your computer while having those programs will destroy your memory, etc.

Quite frankly, I see no difference between me burning a cd to listen to or borrowing one from somebody. Either way, the record companies got their money from the initial purchase. Just because the records companies define it as theft does not make it so.

Have you ever sung a song that was copyrighted? Are you not breaking the law by not paying the companies for the right to sing that song in the shower, car, or wherever else you may sing it?

I just stick to the radio mostly now anyway. We've had a classic country station now for about 2 years, so I can hear most of my songs on there.

Plus, my cousin is a DJ at a large country station here, so I now get free, legal cds whenever I want them.

 

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by Bro. James Reed:
How many of you have movies on your shelves that you recorded on the TV? Did you know that is just as illegal as recording a song?

Not illegal.

Have you ever recorded a majr league ball game? That is illegal as well.

Actually, recording a ball game isn't illegal.

I have used both Kazaa and Napster to download music before. I can tell you now, it isn't worth it. All of the junk that comes through your computer while having those programs will destroy your memory, etc.

Agreed. I used to have Kazaa and it was great to have those songs, but all of the pop ups and spy ware eventually caused my computer to meet it's maker.

Now I have Rhapsody, which is marginally better.

Have you ever sung a song that was copyrighted? Are you not breaking the law by not paying the companies for the right to sing that song in the shower, car, or wherever else you may sing it?[/qb]

No. As someone who has made his living singing other people's songs, it's not illegal.


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[Mike McK]

Originally posted by Travelsong:
Lately I've been trying to find some grittier sounding country music and this stuff is definately not it, so I will return the album and will not buy it.

"Gritty" in what way?


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[Bro. Curtis]

Originally posted by Bro. James Reed:

Have you ever sung a song that was copyrighted? Are you not breaking the law by not paying the companies for the right to sing that song in the shower, car, or wherever else you may sing it.

Places that have live music being performed pay taxes & fees to ASCAP and BMI to cover this. You are not breaking the law by singing other people's music professionally. As far as singing in the car, or shower, since you are not making any money by doing this, no law is broken.

 

[Travelsong]

Originally posted by Mike McK:
"Gritty" in what way?

I hate the slick production of most contemporary country music. I like something that has a raw roots feel to it. Some alt country bands like Drive By Truckers, Uncle Tupelo and Wilco are great, but I want something closer to Lucinda Williams' Car Wheels On a gravel Road.


And if they have songs with the names of dances or the word shake or shuffle in the title, forget it. I'd rather plunge pencils into my eardrums than listen to that crap.

 

[Bro. James Reed]

As far as singing in the car, or shower, since you are not making any money by doing this, no law is broken.

But, Bro. Curtis, I have never made any money off of any song I have ever downloaded, and no one has illegally made any money from me by allowing me to download. What is the difference?

 

[Bro. James Reed]

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Originally posted by Bro. James Reed:
How many of you have movies on your shelves that you recorded on the TV? Did you know that is just as illegal as recording a song?
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Not illegal.

Why not? If I can't download a song for personal use, then people shouldn't "download" a movie for personal use.

Is it only illegal if it's done over a computer?

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Have you ever recorded a majr league ball game? That is illegal as well.
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Actually, recording a ball game isn't illegal.

Then why do they always announce that you must have express written permission to record the game?

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Have you ever sung a song that was copyrighted? Are you not breaking the law by not paying the companies for the right to sing that song in the shower, car, or wherever else you may sing it?[/qb]
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No. As someone who has made his living singing other people's songs, it's not illegal.

Do you have permission from the artists to sing their songs?

Why is it not illegal? Is it just that the record companies have suddenly decided to "make" it illegal to download the songs because they realize that they no longer have a stangle hold on us?

 

[Bro. James Reed]

BTW, let me just say that I can see going after those who are profitting financially off of this, but those of us who do it solely because we like a song and want to hear it sometimes should not be put in the same lump as those others.

We are taking something that is in the public domain and putting it to personal use. We are not making a profit by selling someone elses songs.

It is no different than if I sat in the car and sang the entire song, which I do even when the music is playing.

It is no different than taping a movie from the tv on your VCR.

 

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by Bro. James Reed:
Why not?

Because there's no law against it.

If I can't download a song for personal use, then people shouldn't "download" a movie for personal use.

Be that as it may, recording something on a VCR is still not illegal.

Is it only illegal if it's done over a computer?

Then why do they always announce that you must have express written permission to record the game?

They don't. They say that you have to have the permission of MLB and that team to disseminate the accounts or description of the game for public view.

Do you have permission from the artists to sing their songs?

No.

Why would I need it? Especially when most artists don't own the rights to their own songs?

An artist has nothing to lose by somebody covering his song.

If someone covers it on an album, then he gets paid for it.


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[Travelsong]

But do you have any recommendations for me Mike?

Is my only choice top 40 manufactured pop music with steel guitars, fiddles, tight jeans, caked on make up, goofy hats, belt buckles and hip wiggling?

Who carries the real soul of country music?

 

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by Travelsong:
But do you have any recommendations for me Mike?

Is my only choice top 40 manufactured pop music with steel guitars, fiddles, tight jeans, caked on make up, goofy hats, belt buckles and hip wiggling?

Who carries the real soul of country music?

How country do you want it?

Buddy Miller
Pine Valley Cosmonauts
Old Crow Medicine Show
Iris Dement
Billy Don Burns
Jim and Jenny and the Pinetops
Big Sandy and His Fly-Rite Boys
Rex Hobart
Cornell Hurd
Jim Lauderdale

I'd strongly suggest that you try Jim Lauderdale.

The Cornell Hurd Band is something between early 70's, stoner era Asleep at the Wheel and the Coral Reefer Band of the mid 70's.

Buddy Miller, what can I say? He's not Buddy Miller for nothing.

Have you heard Loretta Lynn's "Van Leer Rose"? It's arguably her best album ever.

Tift Merrit. Outstanding girl singer. Try "Bramble Rose".

There's also a great new tribute album to Billy Joe Shaver called, "A Tribute to Billy Joe Shaver: Live".

Webb Wilder.

Shelby Lynne.

Have you heard Elvis Costello's "Almost Blue"? It's a classis and there's no an expanded edition.

Robbie Fulks has a new one out. So do John Prine and John Hiatt.

Dave Insley's also quite good.

I take it you're familiar with Robert Earl Keen?

How about Shurman? Are you familiar with them at all?

If you like Merle Haggard truck driving songs, check out Dale Watson.

There's also one of my favorites, Wayne "The Train" Hancock.

If you're looking for Lucinda Williams, I think Tift Merrit and Shelby Lynne are your best bets.

That's just a quick list off the top of my head. Hope it helps.


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