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I'm outraged!

HankD

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What do you vehemently disagree with?
That women kill their unborn because of their own sinful depravity?
That abortion is a sin?
That Sexual assult is a sin?
That bragging about sexual assult is sin?
That the only hope for sinners is the Gospel?
Please tell me which one of those statements is what you reacted to so vehemently?

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The numbness of the conscience that is grieved by dirty words rather than the blood of the innocent.

HankD
 

blessedwife318

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So he didn't grope anyone? If that is the case then that means his "locker room talk" was a lie. If he is willing to lie about that then how do you know that he isn't lying about other things, like all the positions he has taken in this election? Someone who is willing to lie is not trustworthy so why would you vote for someone that is not trustworthy?
That is the million dollar question but of course it would seem that the answer is he has an R after his name.

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JonC

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As far as murder of unborn goes Trump does not get a pass from me on this issue since he praised Planned Parenthood and than said he would debate Sanders for 10 million dollars given to women's health aka abortion. So spare me the song and dance of Trump being Pro life as I do not believe it for one second. He is not even giving lip service to that issue any more. He made sure to point out that he would protect the 2nd amendment but he said nothing about saving babies lives in the debate.

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Trump also does not get a pass if indeed his life and perhaps businesses are influenced by or profits from sexual immorality. Abortion is not an isolated sin and I'm not exactly sure why we seem to treat it as such. Abortion is evil, it is murder, but it does not exist isolated from the sexual immorality that is woven in the fabric of our culture.

That said, and as a disclaimer, I will probably vote for Trump. I've never trusted a politician enough remotely support them on character but I do support his platform (even if I doubt he can make it happen).
 

blessedwife318

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The numbness of the conscience that is grieved by dirty words rather than the blood of the innocent.

HankD
Hey I'm not the one voting for a guy that praised planned parenthood for its wonderful work.
But you did not answer the question what do you disagree with? That abortion is a sin?
That Sexual Assult is a sin?
that women murder their own unborn due to their depravity?
That bragging about sexual assult is a sin?
That the only hope for depraved sinners is the Gospel?
Inquiring minds want to know which of the above you disagree with vehemently.

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HankD

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Trump also does not get a pass if indeed his life and perhaps businesses are influenced by or profits from sexual immorality. Abortion is not an isolated sin and I'm not exactly sure why we seem to treat it as such. Abortion is evil, it is murder, but it does not exist isolated from the sexual immorality that is woven in the fabric of our culture.
Then lets rip it out of that fabric!!

HankD
 

HankD

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That is the million dollar question but of course it would seem that the answer is he has an R after his name.

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So what - he has made a pro-life promise. You don't trust him. I will.
Am I taking a chance? yes of course but I'm taking it!

HankD
 

Tendor

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The numbness of the conscience that is grieved by dirty words rather than the blood of the innocent. HankD

How do you disagree with a numbness of conscience? Also, how do you determine a numbness of conscience given the internet is not a reliable medium for ascertaining whether a person conscience is numb. I am assuming that you view sexual assault as sinful but given that you have not condemned it here, a person could think that you don't have a problem with it. That is one way that the internet can give a false impression about someone.
 

HankD

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Hey I'm not the one voting for a guy that praised planned parenthood for its wonderful work.
But you did not answer the question what do you disagree with? That abortion is a sin?
That Sexual Assult is a sin?
that women murder their own unborn due to their depravity?
That bragging about sexual assult is a sin?
That the only hope for depraved sinners is the Gospel?
Inquiring minds want to know which of the above you disagree with vehemently.

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The numbness of the conscience that is grieved by dirty words rather than the blood of the innocent.

HankD
 

JonC

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Then lets rip it out of that fabric!!

HankD
That's not our job. Our job is to make sure it does not bleed onto our robes. :Biggrin

But I do agree that we do all we can to demonstrate Christ to a lost world. We stand for Christ, as light to darkness. At this time I am afraid that we have too much immorality in the church to effectively address it in the world. "American Christianity" has, in my opinion, largely conformed to the passions of their former ignorance.
 

blessedwife318

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Trump also does not get a pass if indeed his life and perhaps businesses are influenced by or profits from sexual immorality. Abortion is not an isolated sin and I'm not exactly sure why we seem to treat it as such. Abortion is evil, it is murder, but it does not exist isolated from the sexual immorality that is woven in the fabric of our culture.

That said, and as a disclaimer, I will probably vote for Trump. I've never trusted a politician enough remotely support them on character but I do support his platform (even if I doubt he can make it happen).
To use abortion as some kind of cover for sexual assult is also a huge problem. But that is what is happening here. Trump bragged that he sexually assaulted women. And people are excusing that by deflecting to other sinful behavior and that is wrong.

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blessedwife318

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The numbness of the conscience that is grieved by dirty words rather than the blood of the innocent.

HankD
My conscience is not numb to the blood of the innocent which is why I would never vote for anyone that praises Planned Parenthood and yet you will.

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HankD

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How do you disagree with a numbness of conscience? Also, how do you determine a numbness of conscience given the internet is not a reliable medium for ascertaining whether a person conscience is numb. I am assuming that you view sexual assault as sinful but given that you have not condemned it here, a person could think that you don't have a problem with it. That is one way that the internet can give a false impression about someone.
Numbness of the conscience is easy to detect by one's words even over the internet.
Yes sexual assault is sin. Hillary called the women her husband allegedly assaulted "bimbos" that is also SIN.

HankD
 

JonC

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To use abortion as some kind of cover for sexual assult is also a huge problem. But that is what is happening here. Trump bragged that he sexually assaulted women. And people are excusing that by deflecting to other sinful behavior and that is wrong.

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In terms of character, I absolutely agree. People are choosing which poison fits their agenda. It's like that movie 50 shades of gray (which I did not, BTW, see). People are looking at 50 shades of evil and trying to decide exactly how much they will support. God says none. But this is in terms of character.

It may be different if we stick to platform. The problem here is some want to argue Trump's platform and ignore his character against Clinton's character. That's my 2 cents, anyway. I wish Trump would drop out and we'd have another candidate.
 

HankD

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My conscience is not numb to the blood of the innocent which is why I would never vote for anyone that praises Planned Parenthood and yet you will.

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Trump has made a pro-life promise. I am going to take the chance of believing him to save life and stop the murderous shedding of blood.

HankD
 

HankD

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In terms of character, I absolutely agree. People are choosing which poison fits their agenda. It's like that movie 50 shades of gray (which I did not, BTW, see). People are looking at 50 shades of evil and trying to decide exactly how much they will support. God says none. But this is in terms of character.

It may be different if we stick to platform. The problem here is some want to argue Trump's platform and ignore his character against Clinton's character. That's my 2 cents, anyway. I wish Trump would drop out and we'd have another candidate.
He won't drop out. I'm taking my chances on the possibility he will keep his word.

We know full well what Hillary the abortionist will do.

HankD
 

HankD

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In terms of character, I absolutely agree. People are choosing which poison fits their agenda. It's like that movie 50 shades of gray (which I did not, BTW, see). People are looking at 50 shades of evil and trying to decide exactly how much they will support. God says none. But this is in terms of character.

It may be different if we stick to platform. The problem here is some want to argue Trump's platform and ignore his character against Clinton's character. That's my 2 cents, anyway. I wish Trump would drop out and we'd have another candidate.
NO. it's like the movie Schindler's List - Oskar Schindler a womanizer but he saved many lives.
I know what Donald is, he has acknowledged his sin publicly both in the written word and over the airwaves and the internet.

So has Hillary. Her platform is pro-murder.

I choose the man who has promised a pro-life platform.
If it turns out that he lied then the blood is on his hands because he lied which I am hoping and praying that he will not have lied.

HankD
 
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