Immunizations

And abortion is a really horrible thing that the world would be better off if it did not exist. But again I must recognize two things:

Abortion does happen.

Doctors can save lives using the tissue of aborted fetuses.

And again- what about that person who committed suicide. If your child was on the top of the list waiting for a new heart would you tell the doctor no?

Once a person is dead flesh is flesh. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. It is no longer a person, just a group of cells. The soul no longer remains in the body.

 

John 3v36,
Thank you for sharing that. For us once we learned that human diploid cells, (murdered babies,) were used in some vaccines we knew THAT THOSE WERE NOT FROM THE LORD.

HCL

 

This is from the CDC website:

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/gen/contamination.htm

Fetal tissue

No new fetal tissue is used to produce vaccines. Cell lines generated from a single fetal tissue source are sometimes used for some vaccines. Vaccine manufacturers obtain human cell lines from FDA-certified cell
banks.

Fetal Tissue and Vaccines. Some vaccines such as rubella and varicella are made from human cell-line cultures, and some of these cell lines originated from aborted fetal tissue, obtained from legal abortions in the
1960s. No new fetal tissue is needed to produce cell lines to make these vaccines, now or in the future.

 

First, we will give our children (we have one on the way) immunizations when we feel they are ready. There is plenty of evidence that at the very least warns of potential dangers of the practice. There is not demand that it is done. Shame on those who place their faith in medicine.

Just so people know, I am not against medicine.

Second, Helen, I never know when you are really being serious. Some of your questions seem silly. I will assume you were being serious with this question. Each person has an appointed number of days. He/she was always going to live a specific time and then die. There was not going to be any days added or taken away. This is God's plan. He has determined the length of days for every individual. So, in the case of the murder victim, the old grandma, the stillborn child, the suicide killer, and everyone else who dies, that was their time. If they didn't die one way, in theory, they still would have died that day. Did you actually read Ps. 139? Your days are numbered. This gives me hope and comfort as a parent. If something happens to my son, it is because God has decided his time on earth is through. I will trust the wisdom of God.

 

I noticed that after President Bush got his small pox vaccine, he ended up kicking his dog.

Makes you wonder what it really is?

Merry CHRISTmas to all!

 

Yes, I am pro-immunization. This does not make me against God's side on this issue. You could also say we play roulette by not immunizing.
My grandfather almost died with the mumps. I was very ill with the mumps. My children had the mumps vaccine.

Karen

 

I believe you need to look at the whole picture here and not an isolated case. Yes, doctors make mistakes, but as a whole immunization has saved more lives than not. Just being alive is a risk, while our immune system is great, we have been given the ability to help ourselves in a fallen and sinful world, and this includes taking care of ourselves.

 

I am grateful to God for this industry that has helped keep many of my family members alive. Part of the issue of drug costs is that many of these drugs are new, not available even a few years ago. That is one reason why the average life span of men in this country in 1900 was 47 and is well now over 70. There does have to be some mechanism for drug companies to recoup the tremendous research costs they have. Not every drug line pays off, either, after years of great expense.

Karen

 

Well, if something that has stopped the spread of disease is bad for us, why do we insist on getting into an automobile. There are very few places more deadly then the highway. Talk about putting a bullet in a gun and hoping yours isn't the loaded one. I will take my chances with medical science over my chances of suvival on the hightway. Do I travel, yes, do I trust doctors? Yes. Do I get all the shota available. No. Why not? Good question, but just because I may be negligent is not because I am anti immunization. I am thankful that as a child (but not then..hated needles I had my protection from TB, Diptheria,etc.

To refuse to immunize a child is foolishness.

 

I agree with Sherrie here. Were it not for imminizations, diseases like smallpox and polio would still be commonplace.

BTW - is the polio vaccination still required? I know it was planned to be phased out, since polio has been pretty much wiped out worldwide.

 

I know that the exemption law requires a religious reason, in which she needs a letter from the church stating the belief to support the decision.
I asked my pastor on this. Our church is not against vaccinations, and they have denied such requests. However, such requests have been extremely rare.

[ December 23, 2002, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]

 

It's not just anecdotal evidence and parental hysteria that's driving the anti-vaccine agenda. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons(AAPS) is also against mandatory childhood vaccinations( www.aapsonline.org ).

I for one am not going to vaccinate my children, whenever they come. I have done plenty of research and have decided it will be the best action to take.

I'm with Dr Bob on this one.

Paul

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[ December 24, 2002, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: pdp27 ]

 

Some more fuel ...

My son, given immunizations without parental consent right after birth.

My daughter (2 years later) the "practice" had changed and they no longer gave the shots to the babies at birth.

Seems they have not mad eup their minds yet on the immunizations ...

Just say no to immunizations. It is easy to type/say but hard to do. Our family doctor just drilled me last week because I won't allow our little girl to have her "shots." Ended up she had an ear infection that was the problem, not the lack of shots. Now he has a copy of the New York Times article in our file, and a written notice that we do not allow our children to be immunized.

Complicated? The Doctor goes to our church. I see him (most) every Sunday.

You can get a copy of the article and much more information on http://www.vaccinationnews.com/

[ December 24, 2002, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: Jeremiah ]

 

All of our children were given their shots without incident.
HOWEVER...
A word of caution is warranted for low birth rate and premature babies, though. There hasn't been research in this area and the doctors literally don't know how children in this catagory will react to the shots. Best wait until they are at least two.

 

I was talking to my mom earlier today about the smallpox vaccine they may make avaiable to the public. She basically said that she would have all of us vacinnated even though there was a chance one of us could die from the vaccination. Why? Because, either way you are taking a chance. The chances of dying by the vacinnation are far, far less than the chances of catching the disease and dying if there is an outbreak. You take chances just being alive. It's part of being alive.

 

Good article by sixkids that show dangers of vaccines. People, especially Christians should be more leary of government, and not so trusting when the Bible admonishes Christians to be more discerning. See www.infowars.com