Imputed Righteousness

[kyredneck]

Yes, Paul repeats imputing righteousness in Rom. 4:22.

But there is a condition for imputing righteousness that Paul points out.

Rom. 4:23-24

"Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;"

It's beyond the comprehension of your CDS infected mind that this is a statement of fact, and NOT a condition to be met in order to obtain the righteousness of Christ imputed to us.

As in John 3:16 is not an invitation or a 'condition' to be met, it's a statement of fact.

 

[Tea]

The word "IF" in vs 24 makes it a condition.

The way “if” is used is descriptive, not prescriptive. It would be like saying, “If the sun rises tomorrow, then we’ll have daylight.”

If we believe, it is because we have His imputed righteousness. We don’t believe so as to earn His imputed righteousness.

 

[Silverhair]

Which goes right back to you thinking that the clay, the creature, can make God, the Potter, the Creator, respond to it. You went right back to that same line of thinking that God was forced by Adam's alleged "free will" to come up with some alternative plan to what He, the Creator, had originally planned.

Mark me, Charlie, and mark me well - if I have to depend on some alleged "free will" that you think that I have, then I will be lost forever, as there is absolutely no way that I can have perfect faith, or perfectly love God, or perfectly love my neighbor; I cannot perform a perfect righteousness that would be acceptable to God, which is what having an alleged "free will" would require. I must have all of my sins imputed to Christ and Him paying my total sin debt, or I will be lost forever. I must have Christ's perfect righteousness imputed to me, or I will be lost forever.

But I will not be lost forever. Why? Because of Christ and Christ alone. PERIOD!

2 Timothy 1:12 I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

And what have I committed to Him? My WHOLE salvation. NONE of my salvation is committed to me to perform. It is all Christ! PERIOD!!!

So it's a good thing you do not have to have perfect faith, or perfectly love God, or perfectly love your neighbor. Salvation is not about the works you seem to think you have to perform to be saved. All you need is to exercise your free will and trust in God.

 

[Silverhair]

It's beyond the comprehension of your CDS infected mind that this is a statement of fact, and NOT a condition to be met in order to obtain the righteousness of Christ imputed to us.

As in John 3:16 is not an invitation or a 'condition' to be met, it's a statement of fact.

As long as you think that way KY you will never understand the word of God or the love that He has for His creation.

 

[Silverhair]

The way “if” is used is descriptive, not prescriptive. It would be like saying, “If the sun rises tomorrow, then we’ll have daylight.”

If we believe, it is because we have His imputed righteousness. We don’t believe so as to earn His imputed righteousness.

If = a primary particle of conditionality

As I said before Tea you use a different dictionary.

Even the sentence you use, which is just a strawman argument, actually shows conditionality.

 

[kyredneck]

As long as you think that way KY you will never understand the word of God or the love that He has for His creation.

Are you dense? Not able to differentiate a 'condition' from a statement of fact?

Man, I hope we never incorporate you stupid Canadian liberals into our country. It'll equate to another Oregon or Washington or California leading us straight into Marxism.

 

[Silverhair]

Are you dense? Not able to differentiate a 'condition' from a statement of fact?

Man, I hope we never incorporate you stupid Canadian liberals into our country. It'll equate to another Oregon or Washington or California leading us straight into Marxism.

KY you have really shown how little you understand the English language when you say that "IF" is a statement of fact.

But actually when you read Rom 4:24 in a modern translation it is a statement of fact as they did not in the "IF" that the KY writers did as it is not found in the Greek text.

Rom 4:24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, NKJV

As for the sentence “If the sun rises tomorrow, then we’ll have daylight.” that is conditional

If you wanted a statement of fact it would read “When the sun rises tomorrow, then we’ll have daylight.”

 

[kyredneck]

As for the sentence “If

"If" means "since" here. It's NOT a 'condition. Your man-centric religion dominates your thoughts on this.

 

[Charlie24]

Which goes right back to you thinking that the clay, the creature, can make God, the Potter, the Creator, respond to it. You went right back to that same line of thinking that God was forced by Adam's alleged "free will" to come up with some alternative plan to what He, the Creator, had originally planned.

Mark me, Charlie, and mark me well - if I have to depend on some alleged "free will" that you think that I have, then I will be lost forever, as there is absolutely no way that I can have perfect faith, or perfectly love God, or perfectly love my neighbor; I cannot perform a perfect righteousness that would be acceptable to God, which is what having an alleged "free will" would require. I must have all of my sins imputed to Christ and Him paying my total sin debt, or I will be lost forever. I must have Christ's perfect righteousness imputed to me, or I will be lost forever.

But I will not be lost forever. Why? Because of Christ and Christ alone. PERIOD!

2 Timothy 1:12 I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

And what have I committed to Him? My WHOLE salvation. NONE of my salvation is committed to me to perform. It is all Christ! PERIOD!!!

I don't know what happened to you, cant' say, but I know what happened to me.

I heard the Gospel at a time chosen by God, I believed that Gospel and accepted Him as my Savior.

The Holy Spirit is ever conforming me into the image of Christ, if I let Him.

I admit I'm not perfect and I fail, but as long as my faith is in Christ the Holy Spirit will continue to work in me until I leave this world.

You're not a programmed robot that Christ controls, Ken.

He allows you to live your life the way you choose, some of us will bring forth fruit thirtyfold, some sixtyfold, and some a hundredfold.

 

[Charlie24]

The way “if” is used is descriptive, not prescriptive. It would be like saying, “If the sun rises tomorrow, then we’ll have daylight.”

If we believe, it is because we have His imputed righteousness. We don’t believe so as to earn His imputed righteousness.

I suppose you will make the same twist of Heb. 3:14,

"For we are made partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;"

 

[Charlie24]

If = a primary particle of conditionality

As I said before Tea you use a different dictionary.

Even the sentence you use, which is just a strawman argument, actually shows conditionality.

Amen! That's exactly what they're doing!

 

[Van]

Yes, Paul repeats imputing righteousness in Rom. 4:22.

But there is a condition for imputing righteousness that Paul points out.

Rom. 4:23-24

"Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;"

The "it" of verse 22 is his faith, thus his faith was credited to him as righteousness. This does NOT support imputed or credited or declared righteousness of the person.

 

[Van]

All of the sins of God's elect were imputed to Christ and He paid their total sin debt; Christ's perfect righteousness was imputed to God's elect.

Romans 4:6-8
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin;
that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

(emphasis mine)

Yes, 2 Corinthians 5:21 proves imputed righteousness if malarkey, as we are made the righteousness of God only when we are transferred into Christ spiritually. Thus we undergo the washing of regeneration to become the righteousness of God.

 

[Van]

No condition, but a result of the regeneration of God's elect by the Holy Spirit under the hearing of the gospel of the finished work of Christ.

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

(emphasis mine)

Two non-germane verses that actually demonstrate (1) the lost are able to hear the gospel and take its direction and put their trust in Christ, plus (2) God allows repentance to both Jews and Gentiles.

Folks note how the Calvinists have diverted the thread into the abyss of endless false claims. The topic is the fact we are "made" righteous, not declared righteous. We are made righteous only after God credits our faith as righteousness, and transfers us spiritually into Christ. Thus only after we are in Christ are we made, by the washing of regeneration, righteous. Only when we are transferred into Christ do we "receive" reconciliation, Romans 5:11.

 

[Charlie24]

The "it" of verse 22 is his faith, thus his faith was credited to him as righteousness. This does NOT support imputed or credited or declared righteousness of the person.

As with Abraham our faith is counted to us for righteousness. It takes place immediately.

In vs. 24 the righteousness is clearly imputed to the person, IF we believe...

 

[Silverhair]

"If" means "since" here. It's NOT a 'condition. Your man-centric religion dominates your thoughts on this.

Which sentence are you referring to KY?

Is it “If the sun rises tomorrow, then we’ll have daylight.”

You say that "IF" means "since" now that is a perfect example of how the calvinist changes words to fit their agenda.

But as for the sentence “If the sun rises tomorrow, then we’ll have daylight.” that is conditional.

But if you mean "IF" in Rom 4:24 well as I said B4 it is not found in the Greek but was added by the KJV writers.

So it reads Rom 4:24 but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

 

[Van]

As with Abraham our faith is counted to us for righteousness. It takes place immediately.

In vs. 24 the righteousness is clearly imputed to the person, IF we believe...

Sorry but NO. The "it" of verse 22 refers to the person's faith placed upon Christ. Same thing stated in verse 23-24. Not for Abraham's sake only was it written, that the righteousness of his faith was imputed or credited to Abraham, but for us [those with a faith like Abraham's] also to whom righteousness of our faith is imputed or credited since we believe on Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

 

[Tea]

If = a primary particle of conditionality

As I said before Tea you use a different dictionary.

Even the sentence you use, which is just a strawman argument, actually shows conditionality.

It’s not a strawman at all. As @kyredneck has said before, it’s a statement of fact. Everyone knows that the sun is going to rise tomorrow and there’s going to be daylight. It’s silly to even have a debate on that.

According to your logic, the sun will rise, but there must be a condition met in order for us to have sunlight to go along with it. You and I both know that it would be absurd to suggest such a thing.

 

[Tea]

I suppose you will make the same twist of Heb. 3:14,

Absolutely, I will. As much as you think you can find a way around it, any means of salvation that requires external effort apart from Christ utterly destroys the meaning of grace.

The Holy Spirit is ever conforming me into the image of Christ, if I let Him

 

[Charlie24]

Sorry but NO. The "it" of verse 22 refers to the person's faith placed upon Christ. Same thing stated in verse 23-24. Not for Abraham's sake only was it written, that the righteousness of his faith was imputed or credited to Abraham, but for us [those with a faith like Abraham's] also to whom righteousness of our faith is imputed or credited since we believe on Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

I don't see where we disagree! I agree with everything you've said here.