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Imputed Righteousness

Silverhair

Silverhair

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KenH said:
No one can have saving faith nor repentance from dead works without the Holy Spirit regenerating them first. They are fruits of regeneration, not the cause of regeneration.
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Your view is not what we find in scripture Ken. Your view has people saved prior to them even trust in God.

So at least now I can say with certainty that you are a calvinist although your want to call it SG.

“A cardinal point of Reformed theology is the maxim: ‘Regeneration precedes faith.’ [R.C. Sproul Chosen By God, pp.72-73].

“A man is not saved because he believes in Christ; he believes in Christ because he is saved”. [L. Boettner The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination, Page 75]
 
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Charlie24

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Van said:
Well I understand your post as not believing we become the righteousness of God in Him. You deny that when God credits our faith as righteousness, which occurs before He transfers us spiritually into Christ, and then, only after we are "in Him," do we become the righteousness of God through the washing of regeneration.
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I guess you are thinking there's a period of time from when we believe and placed in Christ.

I say they take place at the same time, instantly.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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KenH said:
Call it what you wish. Makes no difference in the my status with God.
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It is not the name of the view but the view itself that matters Ken. You have set yourself against the word of God.

Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes,

1Co_15:1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
1Co 15:2 by which also you are saved,

1Co_1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

Eph_1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

@KenH your view has you saved prior to hearing or believing the gospel message.
 
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Van

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Charlie24 said:
I guess you are thinking there's a period of time from when we believe and placed in Christ.

I say they take place at the same time, instantly.
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Well I understand your post as not believing we become the righteousness of God in Him. You deny that when God credits our faith as righteousness, which occurs before He transfers us spiritually into Christ, and then, only after we are "in Him," do we become the righteousness of God through the washing of regeneration.

As far as the time interval for the complete sequence, from when God credits our faith to when He transfers us into Christ, we undergo the washing of regeneration, and are then sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit, I do not believe scripture tells us there is any delay. So for you to claim I was presenting a "period of time" seems farfetched. But your claim did function as a diversion.

Will you say you believe no one is saved unless God credits their faith as righteousness. I expect you will not, based on past performance.
 
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Charlie24

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Van said:
Well I understand your post as not believing we become the righteousness of God in Him. You deny that when God credits our faith as righteousness, which occurs before He transfers us spiritually into Christ, and then, only after we are "in Him," do we become the righteousness of God through the washing of regeneration.

As far as the time interval for the complete sequence, from when God credits our faith to when He transfers us into Christ, we undergo the washing of regeneration, and are then sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit, I do not believe scripture tells us there is any delay. So for you to claim I was presenting a "period of time" seems farfetched. But your claim did function as a diversion.

Will you say you believe no one is saved unless God credits their faith as righteousness. I expect you will not, based on past performance.
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You're making a big deal of nothing, Van.

The declaration of God to righteousness is enough, the washing takes place at the same time as far as I'm concerned.

Why do you have accuse someone of something that doesn't add up to a hill of beans?
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Van said:
Well I understand your post as not believing we become the righteousness of God in Him. You deny that when God credits our faith as righteousness, which occurs before He transfers us spiritually into Christ, and then, only after we are "in Him," do we become the righteousness of God through the washing of regeneration.

As far as the time interval for the complete sequence, from when God credits our faith to when He transfers us into Christ, we undergo the washing of regeneration, and are then sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit, I do not believe scripture tells us there is any delay. So for you to claim I was presenting a "period of time" seems farfetched. But your claim did function as a diversion.

Will you say you believe no one is saved unless God credits their faith as righteousness. I expect you will not, based on past performance.
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@Van from what you are saying it seems like you think God has to think about it and decide if the persons faith is good enough or real and then credits it as righteousness.
 
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Van

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Charlie24 said:
You're making a big deal of nothing, Van.

The declaration of God to righteousness is enough, the washing takes place at the same time as far as I'm concerned.

Why do you have accuse someone of something that doesn't add up to a hill of beans?
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We are supposed to be ready to make a defense for what we believe. You question the beliefs of others, but do not say what you believe.

Will you say you believe no one is saved unless God credits their faith as righteousness? I expect you will not, based on past performance.

And the answer is no, you will not say what you believe, instead you find fault with me making a big deal.
 
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JesusFan

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Van said:
We are supposed to be ready to make a defense for what we believe. You question the beliefs of others, but do not say what you believe.

Will you say you believe no one is saved unless God credits their faith as righteousness? I expect you will not, based on past performance.

And the answer is no, you will not say what you believe, instead you find fault with me making a big deal.
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Its NOT the faith, but Whom the faith has been placed in and towards
 
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Van

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Silverhair said:
@Van from what you are saying it seems like you think God has to think about it and decide if the persons faith is good enough or real and then credits it as righteousness.
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Total fiction, God knows, repeat knows our inner most thoughts and beliefs. All these innuendo posts are based on animosity.
 
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Charlie24

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Van said:
We are supposed to be ready to make a defense for what we believe. You question the beliefs of others, but do not say what you believe.

Will you say you believe no one is saved unless God credits their faith as righteousness? I expect you will not, based on past performance.

And the answer is no, you will not say what you believe, instead you find fault with me making a big deal.
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Aw man, are you for real? I should be learned now of entering into a conversation with you!
 
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