Imputed Righteousness

[Silverhair]

Everything exists for God. God is eternal. God is not time bound like we humans are on this earth.

True but you were not saved prior to freely trusting in Him either. You were not "elect" B4 the foundation of the world.

There is a vast difference between God's foreknowledge of who will freely trust in Him and God causing them to trust in Him. One is biblical the other is calvinism.

 

[kyredneck]

KY why do you keep posting these silly comments?

LOL, they're only silly to shallow Hals like you because it's waaaay too deep for you to grasp....

 

[Silverhair]

No. Its means that God would not going to be primarily dealing with His elect among Jews, as He did in the Old Testament(with a few notable Gentile exceptions), but His elect would be seen now among Jews and Gentiles.

You do have an odd way of reading the word of God.

Not what the bible teaches but you do seem comfortable with following those calvinist teachers.

"World" means God's elect among Jews and Gentiles. If Christ is the propitiation for everyone who ever lived, then everyone who ever lived would be saved.

Propitiation does not equal saved Ken.

Christ's atoning sacrifice did not save anyone but did make it possible for anyone to be saved.

Propitiation: "In theology, the atonement or atoning sacrifice offered to God to assuage his wrath and render him propitious to sinners." Webster

"To propitiate is to appease, to atone, to turn away the wrath of an offended person. In the case before us, the wrath turned away is the wrath of God; the person making the propitiation is Christ; the propitiating offering or sacrifice is his blood. All this is expressed in most explicit terms in the following passages: “And he is the propitiation for our sins,” 1Jn_2:2. “Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins,” 1Jn_4:10." “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood,” Rom_3:25 Watson

"Through the "propitiatory" sacrifice of Christ, he who believes upon Him is by God's own act delivered from justly deserved wrath, and comes under the covenant of grace." Vine NT

 

[Silverhair]

LOL, they're only silly to shallow Hals like you because it's waaaay too deep for you to grasp....

Actually KY I find most of your comments to have very little substance. You just trot out the company line as if it were the truth.

 

[Tea]

The ability to believe comes with the message of the Gospel, all of His doing.

But I do have the free will to accept or reject that message.

The Gospel message is effective only for the elect. It's not effective at all for those who are perishing.

1 Corinthians 1:18 (ESV)
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

The ability to believe comes from the Father.

John 6:65 (ESV)
And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

 

[kyredneck]

Actually KY I find most of your comments to have very little substance.

...and I find all of yours' to be shallow claptrap.

 

[Tea]

"If" you jump off a bridge into the water then you will get wet. We know that when you jump into the water you will get wet, that is a fact. But the condition is "IF" you actually jump.

The situation would be conditional if you were the one initiating the action; however, it would not be conditional if the action occurs due to an external force.

 

[Charlie24]

Under the Law of Moses, which no man could keep to attain unto the perfection of righteousness for salvation, God dealt with the Israelites, as a nation, in this way, "If you will, then I shall." And we read about how badly the Israelites, as a nation, failed.

Under the gospel of Christ, in which Christ attained that perfection of righteousness which is imputed to God's elect for salvation, God deals with His elect, now that we are in the fulness of time, in this way, "I will, and you shall." As the success of the gospel is not dependent upon human effort, but is dependent on God's grace, "I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." (1 Corinthians 15:10)

From the very beginning salvation has always been justified by faith!

The Law of Moses pointed to Christ in the inability to be accepted by God in any other way.

If those under the Law were honest with themselves they knew they were guilty before God in doing their best.

That is what the Sacrificial System of the Law was for, they found forgiveness of sin in Slayed Lamb.

 

[Charlie24]

The Gospel message is effective only for the elect. It's not effective at all for those who are perishing.

1 Corinthians 1:18 (ESV)
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

The ability to believe comes from the Father.

John 6:65 (ESV)
And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

That's the Calvinist way, pick a verse that works for the theory and quote it!

Let's take a look at your verse in context.

John 6:64-65

"But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."

Christ knew there were some who didn't believe and He let them know the door to Him was shut by God without faith.

God will not accept anything from man but repentance and faith in His Son.