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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Wow, 'across the pond', that's zactly how I think what they've done to Trump! Whodathunk?
Why do you call an antisemite antiracist?
Why do you join the MSM in calling Jeremy Corbyn, a consistent antiracist, antisemite?
The simple answer is that much of the MSM is controlled by Zionists who support the nation of Israel against the Palestinian people. Corbyn speaks up for the Palestinians, as do I.
Speaking up for justice & freedom for all is antiracist. Supporting Israeli/Zionist domination of the Palestinian people is racist.
Your Replacement Theology is not of God. Jacob is a race of people, ordained by God, and renamed by God, Israel. Which are a peculiar people, made that way by God. With many purposes, some of which, are not yet fulfilled. God shall be glorified in their redemption. They shall become faithful servants of God. Christ shall reign in their midst from Jerusalem. And Replacement Theology shall be no more. You can foolishly ride your hate based Replacement Theology where it's headed if you choose right along with the Palestinians.
The "Palestinians" are a violent hateful group of people. They still refuse to accept Israel's right to exist as a nation and consistently choose violence over peace and co-operation.
You've got it reversed - the Israelis are systematically taking over Palestinian lands, water supply, fishing rights, homes, crops, etc, & have destroyed much of Palestinian infrastructure including power, water, sewage, as well as bombing homes, hospitals & schools. Note God's word through Ezekiel -
Eze 47:21 “You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel.
22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.
23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,” declares the Sovereign LORD.
22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.
23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,” declares the Sovereign LORD.
I certainly choose right along with the Palestinians. Our God is a God of justice & mercy (Micah 6:8) in total contrast with the god of the the carnal nation of Israel & its supporters.
I first heard of "replacement theology" as a pejorative term for my belief that God's Covenant dealings with Israel were fulfilled by the LORD Jesus Christ and his saving work during his incarnation. The proper term for my belief is "Covenant Theology" aka "Fulfilment Theology."
The people of Israel did welcome Jesus their Messiah & his forerunner John the Baptist in their thousands. The fact that the Jewish leaders organised a midnight arrest & immediate trial shows that the people of Israel were not party to his rejection & crucifixion. They feared to do this publicly as they were afraid of the people.
Mat 21:46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.
Mat 27:64 So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first.”
Act 4:2 They were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people, proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the dead.
The people of Israel did believe Jesus & the message of salvation preached after Pentecost. 3,000, 5,000, a great number of priests, etc, to the extent of "turning the world upside down." Note also - Mat 27:64 So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first.”
Act 4:2 They were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people, proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the dead.
Zec 2:11 “Many nations will be joined with the LORD in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that the LORD Almighty has sent me to you.
Sadly the majority of the leaders of Israel rejected the Gospel so the nation remained under their control, until it was destroyed as prophesied by Jesus in his Olivet prophecy against "this generation." (Mat. 24)
Soon (but with some reluctance from the Jewish Christians) the Gospel spread to the Samaritans & Gentiles. As it spread around the Jewish dispersion the church, originally almost 100% Jewish included Jews & Gentiles as one body, including Christian marriage, as prophesied to Abraham (Gen. 12:3) and by the prophets (e.g. Isaiah 49:5-6) and by Jesus himself in his great commission. Note -
Jhn 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
The question you are asking remains, "Will Israel as an ethnic nation be restored to the land promised to the Patriarchs, with a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, as prophesied." e.g. Ezekiel 36 & 40-48.
Most of the prophets lived before of during the exile. Thus the intended fulfilment was the restoration under Cyrus when large numbers of the exiles returned & rebuilt the temple. Sadly that return fell far short of prophecy as the returned Jews continued in unbelief & disobedience as the post exile prophets & histories make clear. Haggai, Zechariah & Malachi; Ezra, Nehemiah & Esther.
We look in vain for a physical (carnal) fulfilment of those prophecies & the New Covenant Scriptures (aka NT) nor do we see a renewed prophecy. Read Rom. 11 carefully, beginning at chapter 1 & not bypassing ch. 15. The culmination of all prophecy is with the return of Jesus for resurrection & judgment, when he establishes the NH&NE.
2Pe 3:13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
Scott Downey
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Israel is reacting as would many others who are threatening their right to exist, as in live, draw breath. No doubts bad things are happening to both sides. Simply look at the Gaza strip and what happens. If those people could they would kill all 'zionists' or what ever you want to call Israel today.
God commanded Israel to many times destroy every single person of the nations which they were to disinherit, They were evil and even had the Nephilim among them. Israel mostly failed in that command.
God commanded Israel to many times destroy every single person of the nations which they were to disinherit, They were evil and even had the Nephilim among them. Israel mostly failed in that command.
Only after terroristic attacks. They know what is going to happen to their homes if one of their family members kills Israeli's. If you run your terror operations from hospitals and schools, they should expect those places to be bombed.
You know, I remember when almost 3000 mostly Americas were killed on 9-11 in the World Trade Center attack. On that day, "Palestinian" women were handing out sweets to everyone in celebration. So yes, they are a violent hateful people who do not want to live in peace with their neighbor Israel.
I know vast numbers of Jews suffered in the holocaust. After WW2 the action of the nations should have been to guarantee their freedom to live & worship wherever they were living, or welcome them into the victorious countries. Forcing them into Palestine & displacing a people who had no part in the holocaust from their homes & villages was not in accordance with God's Covenant prophecies.
Look at the Gaza strip - the Israelis have walled them in; blockaded their fishing; poisoned their farmland; destroyed water & sewage plants; generators; hospitals, homes; schools; etc. It's a massive prison & children know only Israeli destruction. When they march, Israeli snipers kill them or shoot their legs with expanding bullets (causing amputation rather than any hope of healing) though they pose no danger.
Even under the Old Covenant, such action was forbidden.
Micah 2:1 Woe to those who plan iniquity,
to those who plot evil on their beds!
At morning’s light they carry it out
because it is in their power to do it.
2 They covet fields and seize them,
and houses, and take them.
They defraud people of their homes,
they rob them of their inheritance.
Ezec. 47:21 “You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,” declares the Sovereign LORD.
to those who plot evil on their beds!
At morning’s light they carry it out
because it is in their power to do it.
2 They covet fields and seize them,
and houses, and take them.
They defraud people of their homes,
they rob them of their inheritance.
Ezec. 47:21 “You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,” declares the Sovereign LORD.
The Israelis are the TERRORISTS, not the Palestinians.
And yet Paul wrote Romans 9-11, which is about that very issue, anyway
Scott Downey
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List of Palestinian suicide attacks - Wikipedia
Palestinians are doing terrorist acts. Israel is defending itself.
Your showing Ezek 47, but this is something that begins in Ezek 40, after the armies of GOG are destroyed. It is not a command for today for Israel. Those series of chapters are in some future time for Israel, perhaps some would say are for the church. And I doubt anyone says honestly they are in effect today as the Lord is NOT there in earthly Jerusalem.
Ezekiel 48
The Gates of the City and Its Name
30 “These are the exits of the city. On the north side, measuring four thousand five hundred cubits 31 (the gates of the city shall be named after the tribes of Israel), the three gates northward: one gate for Reuben, one gate for Judah, and one gate for Levi; 32 on the east side, four thousand five hundred cubits, three gates: one gate for Joseph, one gate for Benjamin, and one gate for Dan; 33 on the south side, measuring four thousand five hundred cubits, three gates: one gate for Simeon, one gate for Issachar, and one gate for Zebulun; 34 on the west side, four thousand five hundred cubits with their three gates: one gate for Gad, one gate for Asher, and one gate for Naphtali.
35 All the way around shall be eighteen thousand cubits; and the name of the city from that day shall be: THE LORD IS THERE.”
Ezekiel 39 has not happened for modern day jews in Israel.
. 29 And I will not hide My face from them anymore; for I shall have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,’ says the Lord God.”
There have been very few terrorist attacks by Palestinians in recent decades. The great crime of Palestinian youngsters is to throw stones at the tanks that are smashing homes & schools. The Israelis face no punishment for killing such children. I suggest you get your information Haaretz.
Palestinians are people like us with the same needs - homes & the freedom to go to schools & go about their everyday business & farming. Also freedom to travel & worship.
And why do Jews living in freedom in Europe & America want to live in settlements in Palestine, displacing the people living there?
There was no proper investigation of 9/11 - vastly less money was spent on it than on Clinton's sexual impropriety. Recently several power station cooling towers were subjected to controlled demolition. Their collapse was in the same time frame as the demolition of towers. There is no reason to suppose bin Laden or Saddam Hussain had anything to do with. The US & Israeli leaders & wanted an excuse to invade Afghanistan & Iraq. Countries & vast numbers of innocent people were destroyed by lies.
But all this is off topic. State terrorism by Israel, the US & UK (& Russia, N. Korea, & China. etc) has destroyed national infrastructure & created a massive refugee problem.
Our governments need to consider the outcome of their aggressive actions.
Please give an exposition of Romans 9-11 showing that God has prophesied the restoration of the nation of Israel in the promised land. Don't forget the significance of Rom. 1-8 & 12-16.
It happened at Pentecost!
Scott Downey
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The command then is not for the unbelieving jews living in that land then is it...It is for Christians.
Refer to Romans 9 about who is the true Israel of God.
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Five Israeli Mossad agents dancing on a rooftop in NJ during the 9/11 attacks were arrested.
9-11 Attacks: The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested on 9-11 (Network News Reports)
The FBI came to the conclusion... that the five Israelis arrested in New Jersey last September were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission
and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front. -Forward (A Jewish Magazine) March 15, 2002
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."
--US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report (that was later erased from the Fox News website) on the Israeli spy ring and its connections to 9-11.
According to ABC NEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home. While the former detainees refused to answer ABC NEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.
Said one of the men, "Our purpose was to document the event."
But how did they know there was going to BE an "event"?