In the Beginning....

[Darrenss1]

It is impossible to know that. True science is based on observation.

However what exists in this universe exists regardless of who knows about it. I would say science itself ought to cover everything that is in existence even the supernatural. That is why materialistic science is flawed because they refuse to include the one true God that created everything they are seeking to discover through their tests and observations.

Darren

 

[Mexdeaf]

This thread is getting nuttier and nuttier. Pour chocolate on it and call it a Snickers Bar.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Wait a sec. You are confusing 2 issues. The age of the UNIVERSE and the age of the EARTH are 2 separate issues.


Darren

No it says in the Beginning God created the Heavens and the earth.....both......when...in the beginning.

 

[Jedi Knight]

I believe Gen 1 is literal, literally 6 time periods and God is still resting today.



Darren

Might rethink that...
John 5:17 Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working."

 

[Darrenss1]

Might rethink that...
John 5:17 Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working."

What new things has God created? That's news to me.

Darren

 

[Darrenss1]

No it says in the Beginning God created the Heavens and the earth.....both......when...in the beginning.

Yes the heavens were created (stretched out like a scroll) then the earth was completed after the beginning in 6 literal time periods..

Darren

 

[Jedi Knight]

What new things has God created? That's news to me.

Darren

The seventh day God rested from creation.....but that was "past" on the seventh day.
So God is still working to this very day. Example, if any man be in Christ he is a .....catch this.....New Creation.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Yes the heavens were created (stretched out like a scroll) then the earth was completed after the beginning in 6 literal time periods..

Darren

This WAS the beginning.

 

[rsr]

Last call. The 20-page limit has been exceeded and it's time for any final thoughts.

 

[Darrenss1]

The seventh day God rested from creation.....but that was "past" on the seventh day.
So God is still working to this very day.

God rested on the 7th time period from creation. Therefore God is not creating anything else. Old earthers would argue we are still in the 7th day of rest, Heb 4.

Darren

 

[Jedi Knight]

God rested on the 7th time period from creation. Therefore God is not creating anything else. Old earthers would argue we are still in the 7th day of rest, Heb 4.

Darren

No where does it say God rested on the 7th time period. Peter wrote about it all being burned up in the end and rolled back as a scroll. So how long would that take? Another million years?? Nope!

 

[Darrenss1]

This WAS the beginning.

Exactly. :thumbsup:

Darren

 

[Jedi Knight]

Exactly. :thumbsup:

Darren

In 6-24 hr days. The Bible doesn't need to bow down to modern secular scientist. http://www.gty.org/Blog/B100706

 

[Darrenss1]

In 6-24 hr days. The Bible doesn't need to bow down to modern secular scientist.

The bible does not bow to secular scientists, never did. Even apart from science yom does not necessarily refer to a 24 hour day period, therefore the bible happily supports the old earth model just as I inferred in the "beginning".
:smilewinkgrin:

Darren

 

[Jedi Knight]

bible happily supports the old earth model just as I inferred in the "beginning".


Darren

There is a greek word for this old earth view....Baloney.:wavey:

 

[Luke2427]

So you are stating that science is God?

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[Luke2427]

The word "science" is from Middle English and means knowledge.

But saying that the earth is young or old is not science, because there was no one there to observe it. There are some methods that argue for an old age, there are many that argue for a young age. But it is not established fact and therefore fails being "science".

You do not know for a fact that the world is old, and anybody who says they do is lying. And those who believe it young do not know for a fact that it is young either. It is not science.

However, I believe by faith that it is young, because I believe the scriptures show it to be young. We have the genealogy from Adam to Christ, Adam was created at the beginning. If the genealogy of Adam to Christ is true (and it is), then the Earth is only around 6000 years old.

You on the other hand have nothing from scripture to argue that the earth is billions of years old. If you do, present it.

Because of the advancement in telescope technology we absolutely can observe the big bang. We see the light from it's explosion traveling still. We also can see that the universe is expanding and using the speed of light and distance we can observe the beginning right now. Astronomers can literally observe the big bang right now. No one was there yet in a way we are there right now.

We see stars in our sky right now that have not existed for millions of years. We see the light they put off long ago still traveling to us.

Google this info. It is easily confirmed.

 

[Darrenss1]

Because of the advancement in telescope technology we absolutely can observe the big bang. We see the light from it's explosion traveling still. We also can see that the universe is expanding and using the speed of light and distance we can observe the beginning right now. Astronomers can literally observe the big bang right now. No one was there yet in a way we are there right now.

We see stars in our sky right now that have not existed for millions of years. We see the light they put off long ago still traveling to us.

Google this info. It is easily confirmed.

I think I'll wait a while before I believe that part. Observing past time sounds too far fetched and whether that can be done with any precision??

Darren

 

[Mexdeaf]

Because of the advancement in telescope technology we absolutely can observe the big bang. We see the light from it's explosion traveling still. We also can see that the universe is expanding and using the speed of light and distance we can observe the beginning right now. Astronomers can literally observe the big bang right now. No one was there yet in a way we are there right now.

We see stars in our sky right now that have not existed for millions of years. We see the light they put off long ago still traveling to us.

Google this info. It is easily confirmed.

And "scientists" carbon dated living snails at 2,300 and 27,000 years old (http://www.weneedice.com/articles Has carbon dating.html), so I'm not gonna believe them on the so-called big bang.

 

[Luke2427]

I think I'll wait a while before I believe that part. Observing past time sounds too far fetched and whether that can be done with any precision??

Darren

This is from the NASA website:

Why study the Cosmic Microwave Background?

Since light travels at a finite speed, astronomers observing distant objects are looking into the past. Most of the stars that are visible to the naked eye in the night sky are 10 to 100 light years away. Thus, we see them as they were 10 to 100 years ago. We observe Andromeda, the nearest big galaxy, as it was about 2.5 million years ago. Astronomers observing distant galaxies with the Hubble Space Telescope can see them as they were only a few billion years after the Big Bang. (Most cosmologists believe that the universe is between 12 and 14 billion years old.)

The CMB radiation was emitted only a few hundred thousand years after the Big Bang, long before stars or galaxies ever existed. Thus, by studying the detailed physical properties of the radiation, we can learn about conditions in the universe on very large scales, since the radiation we see today has traveled over such a large distance, and at very early times.

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_tests_cmb.html