In the beginning...

[prophet]

1756 fb Great Flood.
Gen 11:10
10 These are the generations of Shem:Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

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Gen 11:12
12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:

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Gen 11:14
14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber: 1823 fb

Gen 11:16
16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg: 1857 fb

Gen 11:18
18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu: 1887 fb

Gen 11:20
20 And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug: 1919 fb

Gen 11:22
22 And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor: 1949 fb

Gen 11:24
24 And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah: 1978 fb

Gen 11:26
26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

2048 fb: Abraham!!!!

 

[prophet]

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Gen 12:4
4 So Abram departed, as the Lord had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him:and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

2123 fb Abram leaves.
Gen 16:16
16 And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.

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Gen 15:13
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

Exo 12:41
41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt.
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Act 13:18-19
18 And about the time of forty years suffered he their manners in the wilderness.
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19 And when he had destroyed seven nations in the land of Chanaan, he divided their land to them by lot.
20 And after that he gave unto them judges about the space of four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet.
3053 fb Samuel

 

[TCassidy]

Genesis 29:5 refers to Laban the son (ben) of Nahor but we know that he was the grandson.

We find in Genesis 28:13 that God tells Jacob, “I am the LORD, the God of your father [ab] Abraham and the God of Isaac,” (emphasis added) but Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob.

Belshazzar is described as the “son” of Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel 5:22) and likewise Nebuchadnezzar is called his “father” (Daniel 5:2, 11, 18). However, Belshazzar was the son of Nabonidus and hence not even biologically related to Nebuchadnezzar. So, Belshazzar was “son” in the sense of being Nebuchadnezzar’s legal heir.

At the end of the book of Ruth, Boaz and Ruth have their first son, Obed (Ruth 4:13, 17). In verse 4:17, the people declare, “there is a son born to Naomi.” Clearly, Naomi was not the actual mother of Obed but is the mother-in-law of Ruth, who is the actual mother.

In both Matthew and Luke, Zerubbabel is listed as the son of Shealtiel. (Ezra 3:2, 8, 5:2; Nehemiah 12:1; Haggai 1:1, 12; 2:2 also say the same thing.) But in 1 Chronicles 3:17–19 we find that Zerubbabel was actually the son of Shealtiel’s brother, Pedaiah.

Matthew 1:8 has Jehoram listed as the father of Uzziah but there were several generations between these men. The names Ahaziah (2 Chronicles 22:1), Joash (2 Chronicles 22:11), and Amaziah (2 Chronicles 24:27) come between Jehoram and Uzziah.

In Matthew 1:11we read that Josiah is the father of Jeconiah (Jehoiachin). In 2 Chronicles, we see that Josiah is the father of Jehoiakim (2 Chronicles 36:4) and grandfather of Jehoiachin (2 Chronicles 36:8).

So, "you either believe, or remain in unbelief."

(See http://godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis_genealogies.html for a more complete dealing with this subject.)

 

[Deacon]

Hort's buddy, Lightfoot.

John Lightfoot (b. March 29, 1602 – d. December 6, 1675)
F.J.A. Hort (b. April 23, 1828 – d. November 30, 1892)

Real good buddies.

You think you've proven your case by posting frequently and not answering the reasoning of your critics. :BangHead:

Rob

 

[prophet]

3053 fb Samuel

1Ch 29:26-27
26 Thus David the son of Jesse reigned over all Israel.
27 And the time that he reigned over Israel was forty years; seven years reigned he in Hebron, and thirty and three years reigned he in Jerusalem.

3093 fb David dies.

1Ki 11:42
42 And the time that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years.

3133 Solomon dies

1Ki 14:21
Rehoboam was forty and one years old when he began to reign, and he reigned seventeen years in Jerusalem,
3150 fb end of Rehoboam's reign

1Ki 15:1-2
Chapter 15
1 Now in the eighteenth year of king Jeroboam the son of Nebat reigned Abijam over Judah. 2 Three years reigned he in Jerusalem.

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1Ki 15:9-10
9 And in the twentieth year of Jeroboam king of Israel reigned Asa over Judah. 10 And forty and one years reigned he in Jerusalem.

3194 fb end of Asa's reign.

1Ki 22:42
42 Jehoshaphat was thirty and five years old when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and five years in Jerusalem.

3219 fb end of j.phat

2Ch 21:5
5 Jehoram was thirty and two years old when he began to reign, and he reigned eight years in Jerusalem.

3227 fb end of Jehoram's reign.

2Ki 12:1
Chapter 12
1 In the seventh year of Jehu Jehoash began to reign; and forty years reigned he in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Zibiah of Beersheba.

3267fb end of Jehoash.

 

[prophet]

John Lightfoot (b. March 29, 1602 – d. December 6, 1675)
F.J.A. Hort (b. April 23, 1828 – d. November 30, 1892)

Real good buddies.

You think you've proven your case by posting frequently and not answering the reasoning of your critics. :BangHead:

Rob

Different Lightfoot. Ussher's buddy. I didn't note the year you posted, or I would've known. I thought he was born in '01.

I fail to see a critic reasoning anything, and I am just counting, here.
Count along if you like.

Anyway, the point is that the world is barely over 6,000 years old.

 

[prophet]

Genesis 29:5 refers to Laban the son (ben) of Nahor but we know that he was the grandson.

We find in Genesis 28:13 that God tells Jacob, “I am the LORD, the God of your father [ab] Abraham and the God of Isaac,” (emphasis added) but Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob.

Belshazzar is described as the “son” of Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel 5:22) and likewise Nebuchadnezzar is called his “father” (Daniel 5:2, 11, 18). However, Belshazzar was the son of Nabonidus and hence not even biologically related to Nebuchadnezzar. So, Belshazzar was “son” in the sense of being Nebuchadnezzar’s legal heir.

At the end of the book of Ruth, Boaz and Ruth have their first son, Obed (Ruth 4:13, 17). In verse 4:17, the people declare, “there is a son born to Naomi.” Clearly, Naomi was not the actual mother of Obed but is the mother-in-law of Ruth, who is the actual mother.

In both Matthew and Luke, Zerubbabel is listed as the son of Shealtiel. (Ezra 3:2, 8, 5:2; Nehemiah 12:1; Haggai 1:1, 12; 2:2 also say the same thing.) But in 1 Chronicles 3:17–19 we find that Zerubbabel was actually the son of Shealtiel’s brother, Pedaiah.

Matthew 1:8 has Jehoram listed as the father of Uzziah but there were several generations between these men. The names Ahaziah (2 Chronicles 22:1), Joash (2 Chronicles 22:11), and Amaziah (2 Chronicles 24:27) come between Jehoram and Uzziah.

In Matthew 1:11we read that Josiah is the father of Jeconiah (Jehoiachin). In 2 Chronicles, we see that Josiah is the father of Jehoiakim (2 Chronicles 36:4) and grandfather of Jehoiachin (2 Chronicles 36:8).

So, "you either believe, or remain in unbelief."

(See http://godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis_genealogies.html for a more complete dealing with this subject.)

So where does this shocking revelation show that the chronology in Genesis, that I have quoted, for instance, is off?

 

[TCassidy]

I am just counting, here.

Yeah. 1, 4, 9, 11, 16, 11ty 7.

Anyway, the point is that the world is barely over 6,000 years old.

You flunked math, didn't you. LOL!

 

[prophet]

Yeah. 1, 4, 9, 11, 16, 11ty 7.You flunked math, didn't you. LOL!

Lol, ya, you got me...

 

[TCassidy]

So where does this shocking revelation show that the chronology in Genesis, that I have quoted, for instance, is off?

That the chronologies are NOT closed. You can't count the years and expect to establish an accurate time line. (I thought that should be patently obvious.)

 

[prophet]

That the chronologies are NOT closed. You can't count the years and expect to establish an accurate time line. (I thought that should be patently obvious.)

Of course, you can't, how ridiculous of me. God was just teasing us.

 

[percho]

I'm not a science guy, by any stretch of the imagination.

So, when reading the account, God created light first, and separated light from dark. This, in my mind, is the setting of the sun, and the earth's rotation and such. Much more than that in the first two verses, for sure, but those seem to be the primary focus. Light and dark on the earth are only relative to the earth's spinning on its axis

And each day was specifically mentioned as evening and morning which are relative to the earth's rotation and the sun shining on half of it.

Why make any mention of evening and morning, light and dark unless the earth was spinning? And 24 hours is simply the duration of time it takes for the earth to spin one time.

So I would say that unless God sped up the rotation of the earth exponentially after creation, then it would be 6-24 hour days.

I got nothin' beyond that. I wasn't there, so I simply take God at His word

Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. John 11:9,10 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, Acts 26:18

Is the day and night the light and darkness (no light) in these verses really speaking of the earth turning on it's axis?

If the answer is yes so be it. However the answer IMHO is no. They represent
good and evil God and Satan. The same is true in Genesis 1:2-5

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

De facto. I do not believe time even was.

What was the purpose of God from Genesis 1:3 to 1:31

What had God already determined and promised prior to Genesis 1:3 at the very latest?

 

[Aaron]

I'm not a science guy, by any stretch of the imagination.

So, when reading the account, God created light first . . .

He created the deep first. That was the heavens and the earth when yet they had no form.

 

[quantumfaith]

He created the deep first. That was the heavens and the earth when yet they had no form.

My Genesis account says the following:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. You are saying that this was "the deep"? Is that found in the hebrew.....I don't know hebrew.

 

[percho]

One of you is going to have to address my questions, whether openly or in your own mind.

What is the purpose of what God is doing from Genesis 1:3 to 1:31?
Why did God make man? What is man? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels. Why?

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:9 ----- What beginning?

What works of the devil? When were those works begin to be done? Why was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world? How was this lamb, the Son of God, going to me made manifest in the world? Why did God take the woman out of the man created in his own image?

Where was the devil in Genesis 1:1?
Where was the devil in Genesis 1:2?

Why was the earth without form and void and darkness upon the face of the deep?

 

[Aaron]

My Genesis account says the following:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. You are saying that this was "the deep"? Is that found in the hebrew.....I don't know hebrew.

It's found in the English. The deep, or the waters.

[Gen 1:1-2 NASB] 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.​

This was before the creation of light.

 

[quantumfaith]

It's found in the English. The deep, or the waters.

[Gen 1:1-2 NASB] 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.​

This was before the creation of light.

Is not the "deep" a synonym for the "surface of the waters"?

 

[Benjamin]

Is not the "deep" a synonym for the "surface of the waters"?

I think the deep gets a little deeper than what appears on the surface...:smilewinkgrin:

 

[percho]

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, 2 Peter 3:5,6,7

Which chapter of Genesis is that in bold relative to?

Did God change the underlined, which are now, after the flood of Noah?

 

[Aaron]

Is not the "deep" a synonym for the "surface of the waters"?

No. (Parenthetical phrase added to meet or exceed infernal minimum character requirement.)