In the Garden

[Van]

Colossians 1:18(NET)
He is the head of the body, the church, as well as the beginning, the firstborn from among the dead, so that he himself may become first in all things.

Christ is a beginning, i.e. the first in a series, the first born from the dead. Here we are talking sequence. For someone to throw out "a beginning" or start of something, and change firstborn into preeminent is without merit. The fact that He is the first one born from the dead is what provides His preeminence in church matters.

Colossians 1:18 does not say Christ is the beginning of the church. It says He is the head or top entity of the church, being the first one born from the dead, which provides His preeminence, as all the rest of us follow Him in regeneration

 

[JD731]

Colossians 1:18(NET)
He is the head of the body, the church, as well as the beginning, the firstborn from among the dead, so that he himself may become first in all things.

Christ is a beginning, i.e. the first in a series, the first born from the dead. Here we are talking sequence. For someone to throw out "a beginning" or start of something, and change firstborn into preeminent is without merit. The fact that He is the first one born from the dead is what provides His preeminence in church matters.

Colossians 1:18 does not say Christ is the beginning of the church. It says He is the head or top entity of the church, being the first one born from the dead, which provides His preeminence, as all the rest of us follow Him in regeneration

That non-sensical translation you just quoted, the net, disagrees with you. Let me quote your quote .

He is the head of the body, the church, as well as the beginning.....

Do you understand the English language? You are are disagreeing with your own quote.

 

[Van]

That non-sensical translation you just quoted, the net, disagrees with you. Let me quote your quote .

He is the head of the body, the church, as well as the beginning.....

Do you understand the English language? You are are disagreeing with your own quote.

One of us certainly either cannot read, or is willing to pretend to have that disability. "...as well as the beginning, the first born from among the dead...

Colossians 1:18 does not say Christ is the beginning of the church. It says He is the head or top entity of the church, being the first one born from the dead, which provides His preeminence, as all the rest of us follow Him in regeneration

 

[JD731]

One of us certainly either cannot read, or is willing to pretend to have that disability. "...as well as the beginning, the first born from among the dead...

Colossians 1:18 does not say Christ is the beginning of the church. It says He is the head or top entity of the church, being the first one born from the dead, which provides His preeminence, as all the rest of us follow Him in regeneration

You are confused. Colossians 1:18 says Jesus Christ is the beginning of the church, the firstborn from the dead. It does not say he was the firstborn from among the dead. Someone will one day have to answer for confusing the work of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was dead for 3 days. His soul was separated from his body. That is the meaning of physical death. When God raised him from the dead by the Spirit of God entering into his body when his soul was reunited with his body, God calls a birth, the first of it's kind.

Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Jesus Christ was a man as much as any man.

"Top entity" is not mentioned in Col 1:18. The word beginning and church are in the text. Jesus Christ is not separate and apart from his body.

Eph 4:11 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[Van]

You are confused. SNIP.

Ever wonder why those who present nonsense always lard their presentations with "against the person" fallacious argumentation?

Or why they start out making one argument, then change direction, and make the same argument I made from the start?

Jesus is the first born from the dead, or the one that "began" the whole sequence. So simple even a child should understand.

 

[JD731]

Ever wonder why those who present nonsense always lard their presentations with "against the person" fallacious argumentation?

Or why they start out making one argument, then change direction, and make the same argument I made from the start?

Jesus is the first born from the dead, or the one that "began" the whole sequence. So simple even a child should understand.

Not really. I usually consider the source of the foolishness. For instance. In all my lifetime I have never argued that Jesus Christ was not the firstborn from the dead, the beginning of the church, the preeminent one. Why you may ask? Because Col 1:18 says so. I don't have a clue what you believe. I just answer you because it is obvious you like to argue and disagree. You should thank me for providing you an opponent for your past time.

Meanwhile, I am going to practice the doctrine of moving on.

 

[Van]

Consider this statement:

I have never argued that Jesus Christ was not the firstborn from the dead, the beginning of the church, the preeminent one.​

1) Is Christ the first-born from the dead? Yes, of course. Did anyone argue otherwise? Nope
2) Is Christ the "beginning" of the church? Or is the Father who sent Him the beginning? To debate the point is akin to arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
3) Is Christ the head of the church? Yes of course. Did anyone argue otherwise? Nope
4) Is Christ the preeminent entity of the church? Yes, of course. Did anyone argue otherwise? Nope.

Colossians 1:18 (NET)
He is the head of the body, the church, as well as the beginning, the firstborn from among the dead, so that he himself may become first in all things.

Colossians 1:18 does not say Christ is the beginning of the church. It says He is the head or top entity of the church, being the first one born from the dead, which provides His preeminence, as all the rest of us follow Him in regeneration.