Originally posted by gb93433:
My God comes first before any man-made law.
And he certainly should come before defending the disobedience of Graham.
You suggest that Graham is apostate and compromises the faith.
I said nothing about him being an apostate. He has clearly compromised the gospel by allowing for baptismal regeneration and works salvation. He has said that people might be able to be saved with knowing Jesus Christ. That is plainly a compromise of hte gospel. At this point, I will stop short of calling him an apostate.
But then you support BJ who did not stand against stealing people but rather trying to work around it.
I did no such thing. I do not know of any evidence that BJ supporting stealing people. No one here has put forth such evidence. Weren't you the one blasting me for allegedly not having sources? Do you want to be consistent and blast yourself for it? Or would you like to retract it?
Now I know why we have the same problems in the church today--compromise.
And that is exactly what Graham did. And the church is weaker.
Stealing is wrong any way you look at it.
Absolutely. But completely off topic.
Are you suggesting that we are to compromise our faith to obey a law that goes against what God says?
No, not at all. Show me where God said anything about segregation. I don't know of any text that can be used to support that.
Martin Luther didn’t think so. Martin Luther King didn’t think so.
Please tell me you are not seriously citing MLK as a source of moral authority. He was a cheater, a womanizer. He was far from morally upright.
The U.S. government blessed stealing people and so did anyone else who participated in that practice and supported it.
That may be so, but that is not the topic here. No on is supporting stealing people, nor is anyone talking about supporting it.
Read Acts 4:19, 20, "But Peter and John answered and said to them, "Whether it is right in the sight of God to give heed to you rather than to God, you be the judge; for we cannot stop speaking about what we have seen and heard.”
Should they have disobeyed God to obey those in authority? It was the law to obey the authority.
A common tactic, but misplaced. Where PEter and John rightfully disobeyed government, it was to obey God. Segregation was not an issue where that applies. God did not address the equality of people anywhere but the church. In fact, writing to slaves, God told them to work hard and be satisfied in their place (1 Cor 7; Titus 2; Col 3; Eph 6). You must use Scripture rightly to have authority.
Suggesting that we go around a fact and compromise with the world is suggesting we invite the world in and compromise a litle here and a little there.
I have been the one here consisting about the facts. We cannot deny the facts that Graham compromised with the world to achieve his own goals. You want to ignore that fact and change the subject to someone else. Why? Because you apparently don't want to deal with the facts about Graham.
The statistics I gave on the previous page are staggering in their failure rates. Doesn't that speak volumes about this issue? Doesn't the fact that Graham knowingly compromised with unbelievers and false teachers tell us everything we need to know?
God said to expose them and separate from them. Will you obey God or not?
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