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Inconsistency of literalists vs science
- Thread starter Paul of Eugene
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"NO amino-acid productions consisting of only mono-chiral amino acid chains forming the acids and proteins needed for even one living cell."
You don't get it.
You do not have to have proteins to make the first cell. RNA can perform the needed functions. I have shown you how to make RNA with the proper chiral orientation. Pure right handed and everything. This RNA can then make the proteins when life goes down that path. Since you already have proper chiral RNA it just makes the proper chiral amino acids and then assembles them into the proper proteins. There is not a chiral problem.
Besides, just how does abiogenesis, the machanism of which will never be able to be shown conclusively because all the data is long gone, have anything to do with the great amount of evidence for evolution? These are two seperate topics you know. And geology is another. And astronomy is another. And paleontology is another.
And you did nothing to show how that entropy drives organization experiemnt was wrong. You just do not seem to like the way it was carried out.
You don't get it.
You do not have to have proteins to make the first cell. RNA can perform the needed functions. I have shown you how to make RNA with the proper chiral orientation. Pure right handed and everything. This RNA can then make the proteins when life goes down that path. Since you already have proper chiral RNA it just makes the proper chiral amino acids and then assembles them into the proper proteins. There is not a chiral problem.
Besides, just how does abiogenesis, the machanism of which will never be able to be shown conclusively because all the data is long gone, have anything to do with the great amount of evidence for evolution? These are two seperate topics you know. And geology is another. And astronomy is another. And paleontology is another.
And you did nothing to show how that entropy drives organization experiemnt was wrong. You just do not seem to like the way it was carried out.
Some more news for you.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031104064412.htm
Still, not that abiogenesis has anything to do with evolution. But since you are so interested, this should be news for you.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031104064412.htm
Another way to get the right chiral mix for life to get a start.Amino acids have been found in interstellar clouds and in meteorites – but with some enigmatic omissions and tantalizing similarities to life on Earth. Just why some amino acids are present in meteorites and others are absent, and why they seem to prefer the same "left-handed" molecular structure as Earth's living amino acids are questions that could unravel one of the most fundamental questions of science: Where and how did life begin?
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Making the case for cosmic origins of Earth's amino acids even more compelling is the fact that all of the meteorite amino acids, except glycine, favor the "left-handed" molecular structure, or chirality, that is also favored by life on Earth. The preference for left-handed amino acids was a necessary precondition for life, but just why life chose left (L-amino acids) over right (D-amino acids) is a mystery.
"Essentially all of your protein is made of L-amino acids," said Macko. "Why is that? We don't know. The curious thing is that if you go to a meteorite you find a predominance of the same thing."
Still, not that abiogenesis has anything to do with evolution. But since you are so interested, this should be news for you.
And you need to combine that with this.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041008024453.htm
When carbonyl sulfide is added to an aqueous solution (under a wide variety of conditions) containing amino acids, the amino acids start linking up to form peptide chaims within a few mintutes under a very "efficient" proces.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041008024453.htm
When carbonyl sulfide is added to an aqueous solution (under a wide variety of conditions) containing amino acids, the amino acids start linking up to form peptide chaims within a few mintutes under a very "efficient" proces.