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Matthew 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
2And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.


Mark 6:1214And king Herod heard of him; (for his name was spread abroad and he said, That John the Baptist was risen from the dead, and therefore mighty works do show forth themselves in him.


Acts1:22Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

So who baptized the first church members?
Was John a Baptist? Yes, I know this can be translated John the baptizer, but Baptist has been the historic name attached to those who have defended the faith without compromise through the centuries.

It is good that churches drop the Baptist name as they no longer defend the faith, but rather grow weaker and weaker in standards to please a crowd instead of pleasing God.

 

If you actually believe this statement, you may need to go back and re-read some of your church history. "Baptist" as a denominational title attached to a church is not a "historical" name.

This statement reveals your own lack of knowledge regarding many who defend the name Baptist and yet do not believe the fundamentals. Titles have nothing to do with authenticity and affirming the fundamentals.

 

This statement reveals your own lack of knowledge regarding many who defend the name Baptist and yet do not believe the fundamentals. Titles have nothing to do with authenticity and affirming the fundamentals.


SBCbyGRACE

It is true that titles have nothing to do with authenticity or affirming the fundamentals as there are so many who have the name Baptist that stand for absolutely nothing. Most Baptists in America today are more interesting in building monuments to a man rather than glorify God.

Baptists used to be more interesting in pleasing God rather than man, not any more, Baptists today change as often as North Dakota weather to keep a crowd.

Well, praise God a work has been established here in Lutheran country without compromise. We are not large by man's standards but we are winning souls, discipling, training and sending.

 

I pastored in Wisconsin in an area 85% Catholic & Lutheran.
God used us to win souls, baptize them, and the church grew.
The name on our church was "Baptist"

I have visited other churches over the years, and they being Lutheran; Presbyterian; Methodist etc keep their name & we basically know what they believe by the label attached to it.
I have also heard them mention, in their services, their denominational name in a rather proud way. That's their right.

I am a Baptist by conviction & practice not just by name.
Baptist have sttod for something down through the centuries. We have been called "devils" by other religions and villified by many. Why? IFB Churches don't play footsie with the ecumenical crowd.

Now .... I have preached the Gospel, won souls, baptized them; have a discipleship course for new converts etc. I have never attacked others.
When teaching on cults, I have shared with our folks, that if we can understand where other's are coming from, know what they believe etc. it can help us in witnessing to them. I also shared with them that we are not demonizing others or condemning folks; there are many who are blinded to the truth.

I say all this to get to a point (hopefully) some have troubles because they attack other religions: in the pulpit; in public; in their witnessing etc. remember.... statn is our enemy, not the folks down the road, they need to be saved.
If a pastor/church spend time attacking cathoilcs etc. especially on their turf... you loose the battle.
Preach the truth - TRUTH exposes error.
I was on TV in 3 markets - mostly catholic & Lutheran. Hundreds were saved; we started a church in one city (mostly cath & luth) as a result of the TV ministry
Our church grew...Catholics were saved & baptized - Luhterans also.

The RC Priest got on TV and called me a devil and Baptist devils.... I did not respond to him at all.
The Episcapol priest wrote a lengthly article about Baptist & our going door to door etc. Did everything but mention my name & church name... but it was plain.
I did not sweat at all.... did not answer him at all. Gave it to God & He blessed us.

I got severally critisized by other IFB churches too...Why?? They said it couldn't be done. I couldn't do it...but God did.

Soooo it depends on what and how a pastor does things. We must also remember... IF God put a preacher in a place...He has called you there...God knew the pitfalls and problems that await you. Noah preached for 120 yrs and was in God's will. Criticized etc. but he stood faithfull. Hmmm how did it come out in the end.

God gives strength and help in time of need even in ministering in a "difficult place"

I know... been ther...done that

 

My wife's missionary Pastor, from the SBC, founded a Bible Church on the island of Jamaica. He had said that he didn't want the church to be thought of in light of most Baptist churches in Jamaica, void of doctrine, etc.(From the Baptist churches in England). That church grew,and sound ,conservative preaching and teaching came from the pulpit. Many from that same church moved to Brooklyn and Queens, and almost ALL of them attend a Baptist church here...(although many of them preach the Social Gospel only)...

 

Baptists believe in the Bible as sole authority but a book based upon heretical texts is no longer the Bible but a book that contains some Bible. Hence any church that does not hold to a valid Bible needs to drop the name Baptist and fundamental because biblical authority is a fundamental.

I still love ya, Dr. Bob, but ya is wrong on this one!

 

Just a reminder that the BB has a versions forum and that this forum is not it.
Murph

 

Okay, this is my second post to this forum. My first post explains my college background. I developed much of my religious background studying under Chuck Swindoll, Bill Gothard, and Bob Jones. I consider myself widely read on Watchman Nee, C.H. Spurgeon, and Hank Hanegraaf (Walter Martin).

My point, however, is that none of this really matters...because the foundation of my Christian walk is personal responsibility. I believe God is getting a kick out of watching us argue about denominational titles. As many posters have pointed out, it's about the working of the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit works through individuals, not through congregations...and certainly not through denominations. I am reminded of the hymn that ends with the words, "...and let it begin with me!"

David

 

If you wil go back in history some you will find a war between the Baptists and Catholics. It was much like one kid calling another a name. It did nothing for Baptists to reach Catholics. Why bad mouth anyone. Just give out the truth.

If you say you are Baptist then which brand of Baptist are you? Some seem to indicate that preaching Baptist doctrine is the most important. Having been a pastor in the SBC I would say that too many know Baptist doctrine but not the doctrine that the Bible teaches. Many times there is no difference. But in many cases there is a huge difference. People are saved when the Bible is preached. Baptist doctrine has changed throughout history but the Bible has not.

 

GB, I'm not a moderator, so take my following words for what they're worth (just about nothing)....

While your input is valid, this section is listed as "Baptists Only."

 

I guess I am not quite sure what you mean when you say I am not a Baptist. I have pastored Baptist churches, was ordained and licensed in a Baptist church and went to a Baptist seminary.

 

Roger that. I was going by his profile, which states he's "non-denominational at the moment".