Innocents Executed #2

[JustChristian]

Fine, then why aren't you posting in the other thread of similar title where all I addressed was capital punishment?



Do I need to provide a map..... I mean a link?:laugh:

Why are there two threads? The topic is the same, The Sanctity of Life. That is it's the same unless you somehow think the life of an unborn child is worth more than the life of an innocent person who was executed or the lif of a 3 year old Iraqi girl killed by our troops. How is this a different question? Human life is human life and all are precious. Does anyone here not believe that?

 

[LadyEagle]

Why are there two threads? The topic is the same, The Sanctity of Life. That is it's the same unless you somehow think the life of an unborn child is worth more than the life of an innocent person who was executed or the lif of a 3 year old Iraqi girl killed by our troops. How is this a different question? Human life is human life and all are precious. Does anyone here not believe that?

I explained that already. If you want to discuss Iraq, please start a new thread, it's a different topic than this one. Thanks.

 

[Dragoon68]

... or the lif of a 3 year old Iraqi girl killed by our troops ...

This is just a distraction from the issue at hand. If an non-combatant is killed by our warriors it does not imply that was done intentionally or, if so, as a legal act for it would be neither. It would, rather, be a consequence of war and the blame rests upon the enemy. But if an unborn child is murdered by abortion it is an intended act and most certainly against God's laws if not our current civil law and the blame rests upon all involved and all who support it or look the other way.

 

[JustChristian]

This is just a distraction from the issue at hand. If an non-combatant is killed by our warriors it does not imply that was done intentionally or, if so, as a legal act for it would be neither. It would, rather, be a consequence of war and the blame rests upon the enemy. But if an unborn child is murdered by abortion it is an intended act and most certainly against God's laws if not our current civil law and the blame rests upon all involved and all who support it or look the other way.

So these people don't "count?"

 

[Eliyahu]

It is a great OP. Thanks to LE!

I have no doubt that Abortion is a modernized form of Molech Worship

Leviticus 20


2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. 4 And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: 5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.

Killing unborn innocent children in exchange for the pleasure.

 

[LadyEagle]

Thanks, Eliyahu. Same god, different name - Satanic in origin, end result the same.

 

[donnA]

Unless your discussing abortions in Iraq, then this is two seperate topics. it seems obvious tome that this topic is about abortion, if you read the op that is.

 

[just-want-peace]

So these people don't "count?"

I really do wish you abortion supporters (IMNSHO) would bone up on your reading comprehension skills. (Yeah, I am well aware that most of you claim to be anti-, but your reasoning isn't supported by your printed words.)

Y'all seem to have a penchant for reading "A=B", and then concluding that therefore "A=C"!!

For some reason (bias, perhaps????) you "PERCEIVE" "B=C" when it ain't there.

 

[Dragoon68]

So these people don't "count?"

The unborn do count and we can do something about them.

 

[steaver]

Excellent OP! :thumbsup:

My point is that it is getting to the point that the answer to every political debate is to bring up abortion as the final answer.

No one hates abortion more than I do. I consider it the most pressing issue in existence, but there are other issues to discuss.

Most poilitical debates are over the welfare of human beings. Therefore one who proclaims to be for the welfare of human beings yet supports pro-abortion representatives is a practicing hypocrite, which is sin and bringing this light to the person is in hope that they will repent.

One should not come on the board hailing someone like Obama for speaking out against torture when Obama cares nothing about the torture of children, even unto death.

One should not take a pat on the back for being anti-torture while at the same time voting for a representative who fully supports the torture of innocent children.

This is why the "A-Bomb" can be dropped in most political debates between Dem's and Rep's (one party supports the torture and murder, one does not). People should not come here boasting about how much they care about children and human beings IF at the same time they support abortion or those in government who do ( casting a vote is support). This is hypocrisy. This is sin. It will cause the A-Bomb to drop everytime, as it should.

God Bless!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Good argument, and I understand your reasoning and appreciate your spirit.

However, I have to question whether using the murdered millions as the ultimate A-bomb really honours their memory. Are they not worth much more than just being a political tool?

We have the economy, military conflict, government spending, and foreign policy which are worthy of our discussion without fearing the A-bomb being dropped. It can make the right seem as if you don't really have an answer for a debate topic just drop the bomb and that will silence it. What do we accomplish when we squelch all debate with the A-bomb?

 

[Revmitchell]

Good argument, and I understand your reasoning and appreciate your spirit.

However, I have to question whether using the murdered millions as the ultimate A-bomb really honours their memory. Are they not worth much more than just being a political tool?

We have the economy, military conflict, government spending, and foreign policy which are worthy of our discussion without fearing the A-bomb being dropped. It can make the right seem as if you don't really have an answer for a debate topic just drop the bomb and that will silence it. What do we accomplish when we squelch all debate with the A-bomb?

The description is used because it is apparent that to many have been desensitized to the real time effects of abortion. And the details of abortion should never be overlooked. They are important and the memories of those children are dishonored by their being overlooked. It is not a political tool except to those who do not want to face the reality. It is just simply the truth.

 

[steaver]

However, I have to question whether using the murdered millions as the ultimate A-bomb really honours their memory. Are they not worth much more than just being a political tool?

I agree, but who is really guilty of using abortion as a political tool? Most all (both Dem's and Repub's) will say they are NOT pro-abortion, which of course is the correct biblical view. However the Dem's have justified abortion by giving it a label of "pro-CHOICE".

Now you do not give people in society a choice whether or not to killl another human being. SO it is the Dem's who "choose" to NOT call it what it is, for if they did, they could not survive politically in this country.

We have the economy, military conflict, government spending, and foreign policy which are worthy of our discussion without fearing the A-bomb being dropped. It can make the right seem as if you don't really have an answer for a debate topic just drop the bomb and that will silence it. What do we accomplish when we squelch all debate with the A-bomb?

Well, I agree with you but when the topic is torture or life and death one cannot boast anti-torture and anti-war, when we know they support pro-choice at the same time, without the A-Bomb being brought to their attention. Hypocrisy is sin and for the sake of unity in the church it should be brought to light that repentence may hopefully come.

God Bless!

 

[JustChristian]

Good argument, and I understand your reasoning and appreciate your spirit.

However, I have to question whether using the murdered millions as the ultimate A-bomb really honours their memory. Are they not worth much more than just being a political tool?

We have the economy, military conflict, government spending, and foreign policy which are worthy of our discussion without fearing the A-bomb being dropped. It can make the right seem as if you don't really have an answer for a debate topic just drop the bomb and that will silence it. What do we accomplish when we squelch all debate with the A-bomb?

I thought this thread was restricted to abortion.

 

[LadyEagle]

Rev and steaver - excellent posts and excellent points. The A-bomb is sin and is only given a label of pro-choice in an attempt to cover up what it really is - murder. The babies being ripped apart or poisoned in the womb do not have a choice. As has been pointed out, it is a dishonor to them to ignore the issue and pretend it is merely a political tool.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I agree, but who is really guilty of using abortion as a political tool? Most all (both Dem's and Repub's) will say they are NOT pro-abortion, which of course is the correct biblical view. However the Dem's have justified abortion by giving it a label of "pro-CHOICE".

Now you do not give people in society a choice whether or not to killl another human being. SO it is the Dem's who "choose" to NOT call it what it is, for if they did, they could not survive politically in this country.



Well, I agree with you but when the topic is torture or life and death one cannot boast anti-torture and anti-war, when we know they support pro-choice at the same time, without the A-Bomb being brought to their attention. Hypocrisy is sin and for the sake of unity in the church it should be brought to light that repentence may hopefully come.

God Bless!

While I disagree with the premise that every political discussion should be squelched by dropping the A-bomb of abortion, I agree wholeheartedly that it is the greatest scourge in history and I appreciate the fact that you do not feel the need to degenerate to real or implied personal attacks in expressing your view.

Thank you.

 

[steaver]

JustChristian; I thought this thread was restricted to abortion.

Hey, why don't you answer questions? You seem to "just" disapear!

I asked you in the "Obama's morals" thread if you understand that ripping a child apart in the womb until dead is torture? I just want to know where you are coming from and answers to questions helps me understand your views and positions.

God Bless! :jesus:

 

[steaver]

I appreciate the fact that you do not feel the need to degenerate to real or implied personal attacks in expressing your view.

Thank you.__________________
-Roger

Well I'm sure not perfect and I do try to debate with the understanding that those here with whom I debate are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I love to nail down the truth but I do not want it to be at the expense of losing another's love and respect. When occasionally I do come accross as personally attacking anyone please call me on it and I will be sure to retract and appologize.

God Bless! :wavey:

 

[Eliyahu]

One thing that we should pay attention to is that Obama brought this issue quite early since his inauguration. His popularity has been soaring very much and I would praise him for his measures on the economic policy during this difficult time, unless I noticed this big problem with his policy.
When I think about the timing of this over-turn of the policy, I believe he has been very much determined to spread and promote the abortion worldwidely as soon as possible, as an angel of death, sadly.
Sometimes Satan comes with a good gift of economy.

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Obama was slated to overturn on Thursday the protections President Bush put back in place following the Clinton administration, but Obama decided to wait.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]He hoped his decision today to force taxpayers to fund foreign abortions will somehow make him seem less radical because he decided to wait until after the pro-life movement mourned the thirty-sixth anniversary of Roe v. Wade.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The executive order will make non-governmental groups that do abortions in other nations or lobby pro-life countries to overturn their abortion limits eligible for public funds.[/FONT]

(quotes from what LE reports)

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I thought this thread started out about abortion.