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Interleague play & the DH (merged)

Discussion in 'Sports Forum' started by Bro. Curtis, May 18, 2007.

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  1. TomVols

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    As I posted earlier, stats show that the DH makes no difference in the number of hit batsmen. Besides, if it did, it should work for the DH. Pitchers who have to hit suddenly have to bat, so they're targets for chin-music.
    Wow. .206. If he were a position player, he'd be sent to past AAA to AA. We already have different standards for batting pitchers. We've already conditioned ourselves to think differently of their offensive abilities. Why do we continue the charade of sending them up to the plate? I wonder.....
     
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  2. EdSutton

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    Seems I've heard that a pitcher named George Herman Ruth was a pretty fair hitter in his day.

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  3. Bro. Curtis

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    Orel Herschieser wielded a good stick.

    Tom, I'd take Bob Gibson & his bat anyday. I know a lot of D.H.s without 2 WS homers.

    The DH rule created one dimensional players, and that's never good, for any game.
     
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  4. TomVols

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    Dave Winfield doesn't have 2 WS homers. So is Bob Gibson a better hitter than Winfield? I know a lot of position players who don't have 2 WS homers. So? Total red herring. Besides, we're talking about making the exceptions to the rules the standard. Big mistake.

    Orel hit .201 lifetime. Good for a pitcher. But a full sixty points below average for his era for a position player.

    Baseball is already full of one dimensional players. They can only play one position, or bat against one pitcher. Other sports have one-role players (punters, goalies, etc.).
     
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  5. ccrobinson

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    Sure was. Was/is there another pitcher who could hit like he could and be a good pitcher? Seems to me he's the exception and, as Tom said, making the exception become the standard isn't the right thing to do. Baseball was quite the different game in the dead-ball era as opposed to how it is today. As good as he was, there's no way in the world he would have hit and pitched as well in today's game as he did in 1919.

    By "any game", I take that to mean you're including other sports. Correct? If so, then how is it a bad thing if Peyton Manning plays only one position?
     
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  6. Bro. Curtis

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    My answer to Manning is Sammy Baugh. I haven't been able to watch football for a long time. Jack Lambert was quite correct. All quarterbacks should wear dresses.

    Goalies, well you have a point with that one. But hockey is also unwatchable, anymore.

    Tom, my point is, and always has been, real pitchers can hit, as well, and I think they should. And in baseball, only one player is excused from offense. So that's not a good comparison. All the other players, even catchers, (who you'll have to admit do as much work as anyone on the field, perhaps they should have a D.H. as well ?) are expected to play offense and defense. So the first baseman comparison doesn't work.
     
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  7. TomVols

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    What first baseman comparison?

    We aren't talking about how much players work. I agree catching is probably the hardest position on the field (my knees remind me of my years behind the plate). The catching position hasn't evolved to where they are not hitting or working on hitting or anything of the sort, so that's not a valid comparison. I'd be curious as to the aces out there who can't hit hearing that they aren't real pitchers :laugh:

    It is what it is. It's time the NL got with the rest of the world and drop the charade.
     
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    Sorry that I added the first baseman part, my point was all defensive players, minus the pitcher, must play offense, as well. At least in the N.L., where real baseball is played. And will hopefully continue to be played.
     
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