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Interview Yesterday on CBS - Struggles of a President

Calminian

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What's yours? Give me facts not propaganda.

You think Dems being the pro-slarvery party is propaganda? You think Dems being the pro-aboriton party is propaganda?

What exactly are you confused about? This is your party you're complicit in their causes.
 

FollowTheWay

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Did you sleep through the Civil Rights movement and the Civil Rights Act?
The Civil Rights Act 0f 1964 was initiated by Democratic President Johnson and supported by both parties with the exception of Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans. The opposition was strictly due to racism then prevalent in the South.

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[24]

The original House version:
  • Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
  • Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
  • Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
  • Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
The Senate version:
 

FollowTheWay

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You think Dems being the pro-slarvery party is propaganda? You think Dems being the pro-aboriton party is propaganda?

What exactly are you confused about? This is your party you're complicit in their causes.
The Civil Rights Act 0f 1964 was initiated by Democratic President Johnson and supported by both parties with the exception of Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans. The opposition was strictly due to racism then prevalent in the South.

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[24]

The original House version:
  • Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
  • Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
  • Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
  • Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
The Senate version:
 

Reynolds

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The Civil Rights Act 0f 1964 was initiated by Democratic President Johnson and supported by both parties with the exception of Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans. The opposition was strictly due to racism then prevalent in the South.

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[24]

The original House version:
  • Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
  • Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
  • Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
  • Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
The Senate version:

The Civil Rights Act -- which is best known for barring discrimination in public accommodations -- passed the House on Feb. 10, 1964 by a margin of 290-130. When broken down by party, 61 percent of Democratic lawmakers voted for the bill (152 yeas and 96 nays), and a full 80 percent of the Republican caucus supported it (138 yeas and 34 nays).

When the Senate passed the measure on June 19, 1964, -- nine days after supporters mustered enough votes to end the longest filibuster in Senate history -- the margin was 73-27. Better than two-thirds of Senate Democrats supported the measure on final passage (46 yeas, 21 nays), but an even stronger 82 percent of Republicans supported it (27 yeas, 6 nays).
 

carpro

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Well known facts from history, Reynolds. I don't know why anyone needs to be reminded.

Do they not teach history anymore in high school and college? Or did someone just sleep through all the classes?
 

Calminian

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The Civil Rights Act 0f 1964 was initiated by Democratic President Johnson and supported by both parties with the exception of Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans. The opposition was strictly due to racism then prevalent in the South.

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[24]

The original House version:
  • Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
  • Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
  • Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
  • Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
The Senate version:

Notice not one thing here refutes the fact that the Democratic Party was the party of slavery and the modern party of abortion. We just crossed the 60 million mark. 60 million murdered unborn children, just in the US just since RvW. 10x the holocaust. 3x Stalin's murders. Astonishing. How you can possibly defend this party is beyond reason. It's blood on your hands.
 

FollowTheWay

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The Civil Rights Act -- which is best known for barring discrimination in public accommodations -- passed the House on Feb. 10, 1964 by a margin of 290-130. When broken down by party, 61 percent of Democratic lawmakers voted for the bill (152 yeas and 96 nays), and a full 80 percent of the Republican caucus supported it (138 yeas and 34 nays).

When the Senate passed the measure on June 19, 1964, -- nine days after supporters mustered enough votes to end the longest filibuster in Senate history -- the margin was 73-27. Better than two-thirds of Senate Democrats supported the measure on final passage (46 yeas, 21 nays), but an even stronger 82 percent of Republicans supported it (27 yeas, 6 nays).
As I showed in my more detained analysis, the difference wasn't between parties but between representatives from the North versus the South.
 

carpro

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As I showed in my more detained analysis, the difference wasn't between parties but between representatives from the North versus the South.

Doesn't change history at all.

Democrats are democrats. Still the party of slavery and racists. Murderers of children.

Democrats celebrate it and promote it and/or excuse it.
 

FollowTheWay

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Right but what about slavery and abortion?
Did you ever see the movie "Lincoln?" The Republican party was obviously the liberal party back then. So according to your theory that the parties haven't changed they should be the liberal party today, right? How does it feel to be a liberal? As far as abortion is concerned the Republicans passed on Roe vs Wade and found that it was an excellent issue to cause people like you vote for the worst candidate ever, Trump. They haven't reversed that ruling in 45 years and won't. It['s a great political scam.
 

FollowTheWay

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Doesn't change history at all.

Democrats are democrats. Still the party of slavery and racists. Murderers of children.

Democrats celebrate it and promote it and/or excuse it.
Did you ever see the movie "Lincoln?" The Republican party was obviously the liberal party back then. So according to your theory that the parties haven't changed they should be the liberal party today, right? How does it feel to be a liberal? As far as abortion is concerned the Republicans passed on Roe vs Wade and found that it was an excellent issue to cause people like you vote for the worst candidate ever, Trump. They haven't reversed that ruling in 45 years and won't. It['s a great political scam.
 

FollowTheWay

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Look at the debate. Look at the opposition? Who sustained the filibuster?
This has been an informative discussion. I found that the Civil Rights Act was truly one of the most bi-partisan efforts we've had since WW2.

Civil Rights Filibuster Ended
At 9:51 on the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert C. Byrd completed an address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier. The subject was the pending Civil Rights Act of 1964, a measure that occupied the Senate for 60 working days, including seven Saturdays. A day earlier, Senate whips Hubert Humphrey (D-MN) and Thomas Kuchel (R-CA), the bill's floor managers, concluded they had the 67 votes required at that time to end the debate.
Georgia Democrat Richard Russell offered the final arguments in opposition.
Minority Leader Everett Dirksen, who had enlisted the Republican votes that made cloture a realistic option, spoke for the proponents with his customary eloquence.
The clerk proceeded to call the roll. When he reached "Mr. Engle," there was no response. A brain tumor had robbed California's mortally ill Clair Engle of his ability to speak. Slowly lifting a crippled arm, he pointed to his eye, thereby signaling his affirmative vote. Few of those who witnessed this heroic gesture ever forgot it. (Clair Engle (D) represented California in the U.S. Congress as a representative from 1943 to 1959, and then as a senator from 1959 until his death in 1964. Over the course of his career, Engle’s political ideology evolved from social and fiscal conservative to liberal, earning him a 100 percent approval rating from Americans for Democratic Action.)
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I didn't know that Sen. Byrd filibustered against the Civil Rights Bill. I've always considered him to be a true statesman as exemplified by his stirring appearance at age 92 in a wheelchair and in failing health to cast his vote for Obamacare. Everett Dirksen and Hubert Humphrey also were strong statesmen on opposite sides of the aisle.

My conclusion is that this act was initiated by the Democrats under Johnson (who I didn't support later because of his escalation of the Viet Nam War) but was supported by a majority of both parties. The notable exceptions were the Southern Democrats and the (few) Southern Republicans. Now Republicans are in the majority in the South following Nixon's successful Southern Strategy which changed that.
 
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