Investigative Judgement

[BobRyan]

BobRyan,
Is Daniel 7 judgement the same as Revelation 20's?

Rev 20 has two judgments. Vs 1-4 judgment happens during the 1000 years and the Great White Throne judgment happens after the 1000 years.

Dan 7 puts the judgment before either of those two events - before the 2nd coming.
As already notice numerous times in the Dan 7 "details".

Rev 14:6-7 places the "judgment has come" message before the Rev 14:14-end second coming description and before the mark of the beast.



As it turns out - "details matter"

 

[vooks]

Rev 20 has two judgments. Vs 1-4 judgment happens during the 1000 years and the Great White Throne judgment happens after the 1000 years.

Dan 7 puts the judgment before either of those two events - before the 2nd coming.
As already notice numerous times in the Dan 7 "details".

Rev 14:6-7 places the "judgment has come" message before the Rev 14:14-end second coming description and before the mark of the beast.



As it turns out - "details matter"

BobRyan,
Am sorry I don't understand your reply.
Are you stating that Daniel 7 judgement is describing something not captured in Revelation 20?

 

[BobRyan]

Rev 20 has two judgments. Vs 1-4 judgment happens during the 1000 years and the Great White Throne judgment happens after the 1000 years.

Dan 7 puts the judgment before either of those two events - before the 2nd coming.
As already notice numerous times in the Dan 7 "details".

Rev 14:6-7 places the "judgment has come" message before the Rev 14:14-end second coming description and before the mark of the beast.

As it turns out - "details matter"

BobRyan,
Am sorry I don't understand your reply.
Are you stating that Daniel 7 judgement is describing something not captured in Revelation 20?

three judgments.

As you see in my post above -

When Christ comes - at the second coming all the saints both living and dead are taken to heaven - obviously their cases were already decided by that time - so that Rev 14:6-7 judgment had to obviously be before Rev 20.

So then - 2Cor 5:10, Romans 2, Dan 7 etc.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[vooks]

three judgments.

As you see in my post above -

When Christ comes - at the second coming all the saints both living and dead are taken to heaven - obviously their cases were already decided by that time - so that Rev 14:6-7 judgment had to obviously be before Rev 20.

So then - 2Cor 5:10, Romans 2, Dan 7 etc.

in Christ,

Bob

Thank you for that clarification, more on that later.

 

[Yeshua1]

Rev 20 has two judgments. Vs 1-4 judgment happens during the 1000 years and the Great White Throne judgment happens after the 1000 years.

Dan 7 puts the judgment before either of those two events - before the 2nd coming.
As already notice numerous times in the Dan 7 "details".

Rev 14:6-7 places the "judgment has come" message before the Rev 14:14-end second coming description and before the mark of the beast.



As it turns out - "details matter"

The prophecy of Daniel was to the jewish nation and peoples though, and Daniel prophecies concerning judgement has NOT yet happened, nor have that one in Revelations!

 

[BobRyan]

Daniel speaks of Babylone, Persia, Greece and the empire that is next... Rome.

And then comes the papacy and 1260 years of dark ages persecution according to Daniel.

None of these are "Jews".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[One Baptism]

A few obvious connections:

And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; [of] gold, [of] blue, and [of] purple, and [of] scarlet, and [of] fine twined linen, shalt thou make it. - Exodus 28:15

And Aaron shall bear the names of the children of Israel in the breastplate of judgment upon his heart, when he goeth in unto the holy [place], for a memorial before the LORD continually. - Exodus 28:29

And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron's heart, when he goeth in before the LORD: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the LORD continually. - Exodus 28:30

And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy [place] within the vail before the mercy seat, which [is] upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat. - Leviticus 16:2

And he shall put the incense upon the fire before the LORD, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that [is] upon the testimony, that he die not: - Leviticus 16:13

I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment [was] white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne [was like] the fiery flame, [and] his wheels [as] burning fire. - Daniel 7:9

A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. - Daniel 7:10

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. - Daniel 7:13

Thus shall Aaron come into the holy [place]: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering. - Leviticus 16:3

And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering. - Leviticus 16:5

And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him [for] a sin offering. - Leviticus 16:9

Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had [two] horns: and the [two] horns [were] high; but one [was] higher than the other, and the higher came up last. - Daniel 8:3

I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither [was there any] that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great. - Daniel 8:4

And he came to the ram that had [two] horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power. - Daniel 8:6

And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. - Daniel 8:7

The ram which thou sawest having [two] horns [are] the kings of Media and Persia. - Daniel 8:20

And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat [had] a notable horn between his eyes. - Daniel 8:5

Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. - Daniel 8:8

And the rough goat [is] the king of Grecia: and the great horn that [is] between his eyes [is] the first king. - Daniel 8:21

And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation. - Leviticus 16:33

And he shall make an atonement for the holy [place], because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness. - Leviticus 16:16

And he shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel. - Leviticus 16:19

For on that day shall [the priest] make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, [that] ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD. - Leviticus 16:30

And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. - Daniel 8:14

And he shall go out unto the altar that [is] before the LORD, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put [it] upon the horns of the altar round about. - Leviticus 16:18

And the rough goat [is] the king of Grecia: and the great horn that [is] between his eyes [is] the first king. - Daniel 8:21

Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. - Daniel 8:22

And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, - Revelation 9:13​

 

[vooks]

A few obvious connections:

And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; [of] gold, [of] blue, and [of] purple, and [of] scarlet, and [of] fine twined linen, shalt thou make it. - Exodus 28:15

And Aaron shall bear the names of the children of Israel in the breastplate of judgment upon his heart, when he goeth in unto the holy [place], for a memorial before the LORD continually. - Exodus 28:29

And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron's heart, when he goeth in before the LORD: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the LORD continually. - Exodus 28:30

And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy [place] within the vail before the mercy seat, which [is] upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat. - Leviticus 16:2

And he shall put the incense upon the fire before the LORD, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that [is] upon the testimony, that he die not: - Leviticus 16:13

I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment [was] white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne [was like] the fiery flame, [and] his wheels [as] burning fire. - Daniel 7:9

A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. - Daniel 7:10

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. - Daniel 7:13

Thus shall Aaron come into the holy [place]: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering. - Leviticus 16:3

And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering. - Leviticus 16:5

And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him [for] a sin offering. - Leviticus 16:9

Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had [two] horns: and the [two] horns [were] high; but one [was] higher than the other, and the higher came up last. - Daniel 8:3

I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither [was there any] that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great. - Daniel 8:4

And he came to the ram that had [two] horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power. - Daniel 8:6

And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. - Daniel 8:7

The ram which thou sawest having [two] horns [are] the kings of Media and Persia. - Daniel 8:20

And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat [had] a notable horn between his eyes. - Daniel 8:5

Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. - Daniel 8:8

And the rough goat [is] the king of Grecia: and the great horn that [is] between his eyes [is] the first king. - Daniel 8:21

And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation. - Leviticus 16:33

And he shall make an atonement for the holy [place], because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness. - Leviticus 16:16

And he shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel. - Leviticus 16:19

For on that day shall [the priest] make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, [that] ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD. - Leviticus 16:30

And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. - Daniel 8:14

And he shall go out unto the altar that [is] before the LORD, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put [it] upon the horns of the altar round about. - Leviticus 16:18

And the rough goat [is] the king of Grecia: and the great horn that [is] between his eyes [is] the first king. - Daniel 8:21

Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. - Daniel 8:22

And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, - Revelation 9:13​

Where is the 'obvious connection' about these verses other than they are ALL from the sacred scriptures?

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by vooks
BobRyan,
Is Daniel 7 judgement the same as Revelation 20's?

Rev 20 has two judgments. Vs 1-4 judgment happens during the 1000 years and the Great White Throne judgment happens after the 1000 years.

Dan 7 puts the judgment before either of those two events - before the 2nd coming.
As already notice numerous times in the Dan 7 "details".

Rev 14:6-7 places the "judgment has come" message before the Rev 14:14-end second coming description and before the mark of the beast.



As it turns out - "details matter"

So then 3 judgments.

The 4 world empires and little horn of Dan 7 are NOT Jewish - obviously.

The prophecy of Daniel was to the jewish nation and peoples though, and Daniel prophecies concerning judgement has NOT yet happened, nor have that one in Revelations!

Two of the judgments - those after the 2nd coming in Rev 20 have not started.

One of the judgements - the one in Dan 7 before the 2nd coming - HAS started!

in Christ,

Bob

 

[vooks]

[/I]




So then 3 judgments.

The 4 world empires and little horn of Dan 7 are NOT Jewish - obviously.



Two of the judgments - those after the 2nd coming in Rev 20 have not started.

One of the judgements - the one in Dan 7 before the 2nd coming - HAS started!

in Christ,

Bob

And only Ellen White figured this out by herself...the rest of 300 years of Protestant Reformation were blind:tonofbricks:

 

[vooks]

Hebrews 9:12 (KJV)
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place having obtained eternal redemption for us.,

HE ENTERED not HE WILL ENTER
OBTAINED ETERNAL REDEMPTION not HE WILL OBTAIN

But that was HOLY PLACE not MOST HOLY PLACE/HOLY OF HOLIES.
Really? Are you sure?
Hebrews 9:25 (KJV)
Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

He who has ears let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches- Revelation 2:7,11,17,29,3:6,13,22

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
Speaking of "reading" -- the Dan 7 case is clear --

[FONT=&quot]The Bible says this about the pre-advent investigative judgment that precedes the 2nd coming[/FONT]

Dan 7
“I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.


And then when judgment finishes - the 2nd coming.

Dan 7
23 “Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

===============================

Of course every effort to point to "Bible detail" is redirected to "a rant against Ellen White" by those who have long since given up "sola scriptura" and exegesis - and are settling for "Bible-avoidance rant" instead.

Their 'anything but Daniel 7 details' shows up like this.

And only Ellen White figured this out by herself...the rest of 300 years of Protestant Reformation were blind:tonofbricks:

How sad that the Bible vacuous rant-solution is all that is left if one is determined to ignore the text.

Oh well -- you can lead a horse to water...

in Christ,

Bob

 

[vooks]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
Speaking of "reading" -- the Dan 7 case is clear --

[FONT=&quot]The Bible says this about the pre-advent investigative judgment that precedes the 2nd coming[/FONT]

Dan 7
“I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.


And then when judgment finishes - the 2nd coming.

Dan 7
23 “Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

===============================

Of course every effort to point to "Bible detail" is redirected to "a rant against Ellen White" by those who have long since given up "sola scriptura" and exegesis - and are settling for "Bible-avoidance rant" instead.

Their 'anything but Daniel 7 details' shows up like this.



How sad that the Bible vacuous rant-solution is all that is left if one is determined to ignore the text.

Oh well -- you can lead a horse to water...

in Christ,

Bob

You have refused to answer my questions on Daniel 8. Obtuse
Ellen White figured this by herself or she plagiarized as was her custom ?

 

[vooks]

They have to explain away EGW dithering and confusionof her 'inspiration' over the years as 'confirmation','clarification', and 'augmentation'.......Anything but CONTRADICTION

It does not seem illogical, once we have accepted the fact of inspiration through the Holy Spirit, to expect that early writ*ten revelations may be confirmed, clarified, and augmented by later revelations. The Old Testament comes alive through the fuller revelations of truth in the New Tes*tament, which dealt with old truths aug*mented and clarified for a new age. The apostle Paul often took Old Testament statements and used them in an entirely new context.

1967 Ministry Magazine

Hiram Edson was impressed the morning after the great Disappointment that the prophecy of the 1844 cleansing was correct as to date, but it was not correct in the event, for the cleansing was the coming of Christ to the final phases of His pre-Advent judgment in heaven.

Hiram Edson is my guy. He invented investigative judgement well before EGW,and it was IMPRESSED upon him on the morning after the Disappointment. How convenient!

 

[vooks]

Remember in 1967 they said it was impressed upon him
Let's dig deeper. May 1953 Ministry Magazine

As the morning of October 23, 1844, dawned upon tear-stained faces and disappointed hearts, Hiram Edson spoke out: " 'Some time soon this mystery will be solved. We shall know what God's purpose is, and this dark secret shall be made as plain as day.' . . . 'Let us go out to the barn and pray.'" Ibid., p. 92.

They prayed until they felt assured that added light would come in God's own time and way. After breakfast Edson started away with an other person to give encouragement to some of the disappointed ones, so that still others would believe that God would send an answer.

"About midway of the field Hiram Edson was stopped as with a hand upon his shoulder. He turned his face to the gray skies. ... 'I saw distinctly and clearly,' writes Edson, 'that instead of our High Priest coming out of the Most Holy of the heavenly sanctuary to come to this earth on the tenth day of the seventh month, at the end of the 2300 days, He for the first time entered on that day the second apartment of that sanctuary; and that He had a work to perform in the Most Holy before coming to this earth." " Ibid., p. 94.

Voila! Christ instead or returning, just shifted to the second apartment of the sanctuary. Look at how Hiram is received in 1957

So in 1844, of all the great and powerful preachers who had joined for a time in the first angel's message and who were indeed used of God for a time, not one lifted his voice in defense of God's promises and prophecies after October 22. It was left for Hiram Edson, a farmer, to receive that vision of the sanctuary in heaven and persist in its study till he had a clear answer to give to the people. Other common people worked with him. It was left for a humble woman, Rachel Oakes Preston, to call attention to the fourth commandment and lead a few into its full acceptance.

Hiram received a 'vision' of the heavenly sanctuary, it was 'impressed' upon him

 

[vooks]

Let me quote these wise words;

What is the interesting thing about cults, is that their peculiar belief always becomes “a testing message” in other words a salvational issue. They alone teach it and believe in it, and in turn elevate it to being just as essential as Jesus in regards to their salvation. All others are judged by it, and condemned for not believing in it.

- See more at: http://loudcry.org/sda/archives/5489#sthash.ZqmXhPGx.dpuf

 

[vooks]

Look at this new 1844 invention gaining centrality
Froom in 1944 Ministry Magazine

The sanctuary truth is the keystone in the great arch of present truth

Ellen White too

"The sanctuary in heaven is the very center of Christ's' work in behalf of men. It concerns every soul living: upon the earth. It opens to view/ the plan of redemption,. bringing us down to the very close of time, and reveal*ing the triumphant issue of the contest between right*eousness and sin. It is of the utmost importance that all should thoroughly investigate these subjects, and be able to give to everyone that asketh them a reason for the hope that is in them."

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
Originally Posted by BobRyan
Speaking of "reading" -- the Dan 7 case is clear --

[FONT=&quot]The Bible says this about the pre-advent investigative judgment that precedes the 2nd coming[/FONT]

Dan 7
“I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.


And then when judgment finishes - the 2nd coming.

Dan 7
23 “Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

===============================

Of course every effort to point to "Bible detail" is redirected to "a rant against Ellen White" by those who have long since given up "sola scriptura" and exegesis - and are settling for "Bible-avoidance rant" instead.

Their 'anything but Daniel 7 details' shows up like this.



How sad that the Bible vacuous rant-solution is all that is left if one is determined to ignore the text.

Oh well -- you can lead a horse to water...

You have refused to answer my questions on Daniel 8. Obtuse
Ellen White figured this by herself or she plagiarized as was her custom ?

No amount of sola-scriptura-adverse ranting against Ellen White -- or misdirection to the "daily" discussion of Dan 8:12 is a good "substitute" for "paying attention" to the Bible details in Daniel 7 as listed abovel

The point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[vooks]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
Originally Posted by BobRyan
Speaking of "reading" -- the Dan 7 case is clear --

[FONT=&quot]The Bible says this about the pre-advent investigative judgment that precedes the 2nd coming[/FONT]

Dan 7
“I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.


And then when judgment finishes - the 2nd coming.

Dan 7
23 “Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

===============================

Of course every effort to point to "Bible detail" is redirected to "a rant against Ellen White" by those who have long since given up "sola scriptura" and exegesis - and are settling for "Bible-avoidance rant" instead.

Their 'anything but Daniel 7 details' shows up like this.



How sad that the Bible vacuous rant-solution is all that is left if one is determined to ignore the text.

Oh well -- you can lead a horse to water...



No amount of sola-scriptura-adverse ranting against Ellen White -- or misdirection to the "daily" discussion of Dan 8:12 is a good "substitute" for "paying attention" to the Bible details in Daniel 7 as listed abovel

The point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

BobRyan,
Since when did a sanctuary much less heavenly sanctuary get defiled by confessed sins?


Where are you going should you drop dead right now?:tonofbricks:

 

[BobRyan]

Vooks - when did the Judgment language in Dan 7 become so difficult to read that you adopt Bible-avoidance every time it is brought up???

You are squirming sidewise every time Dan 7 and the Investigative Judgment comes up.

Where we simply "not supposed to notice"???