Iran warns ‘it’s ready for war’

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I used 9/11 because the previous and current administration really didn’t get the other events, but excused them as isolated incidents among certain of the disgruntled. But the hearings held after 9/11 are significant in showing all of them were after OBL started warning. Again, certain CIA folks were not caught off guard. For some years they had tried to get the authority attention.

Think all the way back to the Carter administration and the overthrow of Iran. Was there not multiple warnings given, 3ven to the point that the warnings became a joke and fodder for comedians?

This warning follows Muslim beliefs.

The Qur'an commands Muslims to make a proper declaration of war prior to the commencement of military operations. Thus, surprise attacks are illegal under the Islamic jurisprudence.[citation needed] The Qur'an had similarly commanded Muhammad to give his enemies, who had violated the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, a time period of four months to reconsider their position and negotiate.[28] This rule, however, is not binding if the adversary has already started the war.[29] Forcible prevention of religious practice is considered an act of war.[30] (From Wikipedia - Islamic jurisprudence)
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Prior to Carter, the attacks from Muslim forces were directed toward Israel, however there were also warnings toward Europe and America from even the late 1940’s.

Muslims are extremely methodical, and pass the authority from generation to generation. Cutting the head off the snake does not work with them.

What does work and is commanded is the ceasing of war by the cause being removed.

Hence, the continued cry for removal of the Jewish state. If that is done, there will be peace. That is their first and really only demand.

Some antichrist will resolve this issue and be proclaimed the messiah as a result... but America more likely will be destroyed in so doing.

America will be destroyed

?!? “America”.... how pray tell

 

[agedman]

That may be true, but their ultimate cause for war is the unfettered spread of Islam.

That is decidedly untrue and exhibits a complete lack of understanding of Islam and its aims. Islam considers itself the only true religion, and as such is borderless and particularly opposed to those who worship on Saturday or Sunday, though all other worldviews are in its sights.

Certainly they oppose what is righteous.

What I merely pointed out was that they are bound to warn before declaring war. They have repeatedly warned. Each attack is an escalation, and considering history of American folks turning from God do certainly state that this nation shall not continue to stand but will disintegrate.

Will not the preachers work harder for Christ, or will they continue to view America as so powerful it is un-defeatable?

Who even knows the last stanza of the national anthems that answers the question the other stanzas ask?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Islam- 2 branches

- Sunni
- Shi’a
You know this right?

 

[agedman]

America will be destroyed

?!? “America”.... how pray tell

It is as Judah and Israel. It has already been proclaimed. For God is righteous and America is not.

God’s hand of preservation has moved so that evil flourishes. The restraints of the Word and work of the Holy Spirit are quenched as people turn from God to seek pleasure and perversion, and no plague or pestilence has brought national repentance.

America once flourished because God could use this nation, but the nation turned from God.

How will it happen?

This is my opinion.

First economically. Wealth and health will be taken away because folks rely upon such.
As a result infrastructure and communication will be disrupted to the point distrust will be the norm.
The strength of the military will fail, because might rests upon economics, and the current debt is no longer sustainable.
City structures will fail, and hunger will abound, starvation will bring horrible diseases even flight and murder.

Ultimately, everyone will do “what is right in their own eyes.”
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[agedman]

Islam- 2 branches

- Sunni
- Shi’a
You know this right?

And this is a problem to the discussion?

Ultimately do they both not rely upon teachings from the Quran?

How many branches are found in Christianity? More than two?

Do they not have lines of demarcation, yet under one banner in the eyes of the world?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And this is a problem to the discussion?

Ultimately do they both not rely upon teachings from the Quran?

How many branches are found in Christianity? More than two?

Do they not have lines of demarcation, yet under one banner in the eyes of the world?

In the eyes of the world yes but they hate one another... and that can be exploited.

 

[Wingman68]

This is just like the Nazi's thinking; dehumanize the enemy first of all. Do you not know that there are many Christians in that country? But that probably isn't on Fox News.

Fox News was the only one covering it when the people, & I believe the people do not like their regime, were in the streets begging the US to help them be free. We did nothing under Obama. Just like we did in Bengazi.....nothing, nothing but lie seven ways to Sunday about what happened & why we did NOTHING! But we did take out Gaddafi, as you recall Madame Hillary laughed & said ‘We came,we saw, & he died.’ It’s been great ever since for Libyans, eh? Here’s a link that you may enjoy:
https://www.africanexponent.com/post/ten-reasons-libya-under-gaddafi-was-a-great-place-to-live-2746

 

[HankD]

America did not get “sneak attacked” at 9/11, but was warned by
OBL at least a year before.

That is part of following Muslim beliefs.

They must warn prior to the declaration of war, and the commencement of hostilities prior to engagement. After the initial engagement, no further warnings are needed.

OBL warned multiple times, but only a handful in the CIA heard and tried to warn.

They were ignored then blamed. Sad, Truly sad.

Iran is again warning.

We will be attacked.

It will probably devastate this America, again.

Only this time, we will not be that Phoenix, but will disintegrate, for our nation is no longer “one nation under God,” nor do we claim as a nation that “In God we trust.”

We merely at best boast as the ancients who were told to repent and then killed the messengers.

You may scoff, scorn, ridicule, but America has but a short time left.

“Repent” is not heeded.

Repent!

You never know, remember Nineveh.

 

[asterisktom]

Fox News was the only one covering it when the people, & I believe the people do not like their regime, were in the streets begging the US to help them be free. We did nothing under Obama. Just like we did in Bengazi.....nothing, nothing but lie seven ways to Sunday about what happened & why we did NOTHING! But we did take out Gaddafi, as you recall Madame Hillary laughed & said ‘We came,we saw, & he died.’ It’s been great ever since for Libyans, eh? Here’s a link that you may enjoy:
https://www.africanexponent.com/post/ten-reasons-libya-under-gaddafi-was-a-great-place-to-live-2746

Yes, we seriously destabilized Libya, that is for sure. I am certainly no fan of Obama or Killery.

OK, good that Fox News covered the people's discontent with the Iranian regime. But how far back did Fox go in their background? The stories I read were about protests on corrupt government and on the economy. But that is not an invitation for us to intervene.

BTW many of the sites I've read routinely go back to the events of 1979, rightly so. But very few give the history of the 50's in Iran. Iran's president was Time's Man of the Year (1952, I think). He was billed as the "George Washington of Iran". But, like our George Washington, he showed some initiative and independence. He naively believed President Truman's glib promise of letting countries find their own way toward democracy. He quit being the puppet of Britain and the US. That is when the US (under Eisenhower) stepped in and reinstated the previous leader, the corrupt Shah Pahlavi. And he stayed in power for many years. (I remember his pilots were being trained in Lackland AFB when I did basic back in 75.)

The protests in 79 were not basically a desire for a return to Islam. A great part of it was a protest against our machinations in their affairs. They had enough of our puppet-making. And of course, Khomeini was politically astute enough to benefit from that volatile discontent.

The Iranians have legitimate reasons for hating the US, sad to say, dating back at least to the 50's. And we keep giving them more reason.

 

[Benjamin]

The Iranians have legitimate reasons for hating the US, sad to say, dating back at least to the 50's. And we keep giving them more reason.

Herein lies our major differences, I do not legitimize their reasons to hate us and want us dead.

 

[asterisktom]

Herein lies our major differences, I do not legitimize their reasons to hate us and want us dead.

So when we took over their country in the 50's and nullified their democratic election they should've just ignored us? What if another country did that to us?

Actually the taking over of the country was a decade earlier. It was Wallace Murray from the State Department who admitted:

"The obvious fact is that we shall soon be in the position of actually “running” Iran through an impressive body of American advisers..."

Murray, just like several advisors in the current situation, insisted that Iranians would welcome our overlording. But other sources tell a different story.

 

[HankD]

Herein lies our major differences, I do not legitimize their reasons to hate us and want us dead.

Islam is opposed to Christianity.

Or safer to say Christianity is opposed to Islam.
Or actually, safest to say Christianity is opposed to EVERY other religion on the planet as Jesus testifies that HE and HE alone is the only hope of salvation.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

So of course they are opposed to Christianity.
Similarly they are opposed to Judaism because Judaism claims there is no God but Jehovah:

Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

I also admit from historical evidence that "Christianity" has not always acted very Christlike down through the ages past.

Yes I know President Obama once made this observation bringing it to our attention for which he was rebuked.

However even when those with whom we don't agree make a truthful observation should we not acknowledge it?
He spoke concerning the Crusades and perhaps the Spanish and Latin Inquisitions.

So now the apologists will come on the stage and argue that they who were in authority over these bloodbaths were not "true Christians" which defense rings hollow in the ears of Moslems as do their defenses in ours.

Ipso facto Religious wars.

There is an "however": Nations are presumed righteous to defend themselves from external attack.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Certainly they oppose what is righteous.

Yes, and everything not submitted to Islam, but especially Christians and Jews.

What I merely pointed out was that they are bound to warn before declaring war. They have repeatedly warned. Each attack is an escalation, and considering history of American folks turning from God do certainly state that this nation shall not continue to stand but will disintegrate.

Brother, you did not "merely point out" anything--you went all over the place and in the process made all manner of inaccurate comments. A glaring one was that there would be peace if Israel ceased. Utter nonsense to ever think so. Talk about ignoring history and the violent scourge of Islam!

Will not the preachers work harder for Christ, or will they continue to view America as so powerful it is un-defeatable?

Not sure how that is an accurate view, certainly not of the preachers I'm familiar with.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Who even knows the last stanza of the national anthems that answers the question the other stanzas ask?

Well, it doesn't answer a previous question as you describe, but its sentiments get to the heart of the matter and certainly worth bearing in mind.

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!​

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Islam is opposed to Christianity.

Or safer to say Christianity is opposed to Islam.
Or actually, safest to say Christianity is opposed to EVERY other religion on the planet as Jesus testifies that HE and HE alone is the only hope of salvation.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

So of course they are opposed to Christianity.
Similarly they are opposed to Judaism because Judaism claims there is no God but Jehovah:

Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

I also admit from historical evidence that "Christianity" has not always acted very Christlike down through the ages past.

Yes I know President Obama once made this observation bringing it to our attention for which he was rebuked.

However even when those with whom we don't agree make a truthful observation should we not acknowledge it?
He spoke concerning the Crusades and perhaps the Spanish and Latin Inquisitions.

So now the apologists will come on the stage and argue that they who were in authority over these bloodbaths were not "true Christians" which defense rings hollow in the ears of Moslems as do their defenses in ours.

Ipso facto Religious wars.

There is an "however": Nations are presumed righteous to defend themselves from external attack.

That raises a question. Did Paul go around badmouthing other religions, or did he turn people to Christ? They rioted in Ephesus over this point, because his efforts cut into their idol economy.

 

[kyredneck]

But, hey, we have this military complex, this huge ever-hungry Moloch that we have to feed.

"Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran
Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran" John McCain

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, we seriously destabilized Libya, that is for sure. I am certainly no fan of Obama or Killery.

OK, good that Fox News covered the people's discontent with the Iranian regime. But how far back did Fox go in their background? The stories I read were about protests on corrupt government and on the economy. But that is not an invitation for us to intervene.

BTW many of the sites I've read routinely go back to the events of 1979, rightly so. But very few give the history of the 50's in Iran. Iran's president was Time's Man of the Year (1952, I think). He was billed as the "George Washington of Iran". But, like our George Washington, he showed some initiative and independence. He naively believed President Truman's glib promise of letting countries find their own way toward democracy. He quit being the puppet of Britain and the US. That is when the US (under Eisenhower) stepped in and reinstated the previous leader, the corrupt Shah Pahlavi. And he stayed in power for many years. (I remember his pilots were being trained in Lackland AFB when I did basic back in 75.)

The protests in 79 were not basically a desire for a return to Islam. A great part of it was a protest against our machinations in their affairs. They had enough of our puppet-making. And of course, Khomeini was politically astute enough to benefit from that volatile discontent.

The Iranians have legitimate reasons for hating the US, sad to say, dating back at least to the 50's. And we keep giving them more reason.

"Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran
Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran" John McCain

to quote trump junior, “I like it!”

 

[asterisktom]

"Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran
Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran" John McCain

Yep, the band is striking up. I just looked at our flight path next month. Turns out I will pass over both Iran and Iraq. Hope the flight doesn't get canceled.

 

[Benjamin]

I also admit from historical evidence that "Christianity" has not always acted very Christlike down through the ages past.

Yes I know President Obama once made this observation bringing it to our attention for which he was rebuked.

However even when those with whom we don't agree make a truthful observation should we not acknowledge it?
He spoke concerning the Crusades and perhaps the Spanish and Latin Inquisitions.

So now the apologists will come on the stage and argue that they who were in authority over these bloodbaths were not "true Christians" which defense rings hollow in the ears of Moslems as do their defenses in ours.

You kind of lost me here, I see one justifying legitimatizing Iran's hate and actions against our country based on some claims about 70 years ago. Not sure how the Crusades came into this? But I will say that I know of no attacks from us, the U.S.A. on other countries because of their religion since we became a country. My comment was in reference to patriotism for this country and my opposition to someone who claims this nation as his home while being abroad and "legitimizing" Iran's hate for us.

Ipso facto Religious wars.

There is an "however": Nations are presumed righteous to defend themselves from external attack.

Indeed.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You kind of lost me here, I see one justifying legitimatizing Iran's hate and actions against our country based on some claims about 70 years ago. Not sure how the Crusades came into this? But I will say that I know of no attacks from us, the U.S.A. on other countries because of their religion since we became a country. My comment was in reference to patriotism for this country and my opposition to someone who claims this nation as his home while being abroad and "legitimizing" Iran's hate for us.


Indeed.

agreed, it’s not patriotic. Perhaps he feels the need to point out the obvious. He is a liberal after all and he is weaponizing his words in order to get our attention. Plus he is a Calvinist on a mission to eradicate sin and what better sin to eradicate than the sins of his own countryman. And that’s a real life example of an idealist