Iraqis Say Life is Better

[carpro]

A Poll That has been Widely Ignored


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1530762.ece

From The Sunday Times
March 18, 2007

Iraqis: life is getting better
Marie Colvin

MOST Iraqis believe life is better for them now than it was under Saddam Hussein, according to a British opinion poll published today.

The survey of more than 5,000 Iraqis found the majority optimistic despite their suffering in sectarian violence since the American-led invasion four years ago this week.

One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad. But when asked whether they preferred life under Saddam, the dictator who was executed last December, or under Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, most replied that things were better for them today.

Only 27% think there is a civil war in Iraq, compared with 61% who do not, according to the survey carried out last month.


By a majority of two to one, Iraqis believe military operations now under way will disarm all militias. More than half say security will improve after a withdrawal of multinational forces.

Margaret Beckett, the foreign secretary, said the findings pointed to progress. “There is no widespread violence in the four southern provinces and the fact that the picture is more complex than the stereotype usually portrayed is reflected in today’s poll,” she said.

 

[Pastor Larry]

It's clear that this poll was commissioned by Bush, asking leading questions to people who were tortured by the CIA to make sure they were Bush Loyalists and would give appropriate answers. Alberto Gonzales personally approved it, and fired those pollsters who did not report the predetermined conclusion. Karl Rove hatched the idea but Scooter Libby can't remember when it first came up.

Patrick Leahy is preparing to subpoena the pollsters in order to get to the bottom of this obvious violation of the constitutional provisions for polling in foreign countries.

Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer have called for the resignation of Gallup and Barna, two well-known pollsters for their complicity in this matter.

 

[Martin]

Why does this matter? This does not justify the war nor is it even the original reason for the war. Our military should not be trying to solve other countries problems. Iraq is not our problem! We are not the world's police!

 

[Martin]

Patrick Leahy...Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer..

Those three clowns are just as politically motived, dishonest, and hypocritcal as George W Bush and Dick Cheney. Everything they do is for political advantage.

 

[hillclimber1]

A Poll That has been Widely Ignored




Only 27% think there is a civil war in Iraq, compared with 61% who do not, according to the survey carried out last month.

Congressional poles would be far different, wouldn't they.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Why does this matter? This does not justify the war nor is it even the original reason for the war. Our military should not be trying to solve other countries problems. Iraq is not our problem! We are not the world's police!

Amen! :applause:

 

[carpro]

Why does this matter? This does not justify the war nor is it even the original reason for the war. Our military should not be trying to solve other countries problems. Iraq is not our problem! We are not the world's police!

Nice dodge.:thumbs:

 

[Petra-O IX]

Congressional poles would be far different, wouldn't they.

:laugh: We have Polish people in Congress? Or maybe they had some

Fireman's poles installed for when they need to make a hasty exit.

 

[Salty]

It's clear that this poll was commissioned by Bush,

Hmm, I didnt see that listed in the article, wonder how I missed it?

 

[Petra-O IX]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Larry
It's clear that this poll was commissioned by Bush,

Hmm, I didnt see that listed in the article, wonder how I missed it?

In most polls that are conducted a brief explanation of how the poll was conducted is usually accompanied with the results of that poll. There was none stated in the survey conducted by the Sunday Times. The question of the reliability of that poll is in the air, any other Polling Co. could conduct a similar survey and prove the opposite if they wanted to .

 

[Jack Matthews]

Looks like another poll, also British, provides some very different information

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6451841.stm

 

[Pastor Larry]

Hmm, I didnt see that listed in the article, wonder how I missed it?

It is a joke, mocking all those who see conspiracies in everything that may possibly reflect positively on anything dealing with the Iraq War.

 

[poncho]

Hmm, I didnt see that listed in the article, wonder how I missed it?

Rupert Murdoch owns the Times Online.

Murdoch Confesses To Propaganda On Iraq


Last Friday, at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Rupert Murdoch sat on a panel where he lamented what he described as a “loss of power” due to the ascension of the Internet and other new media. The notion that this captain of one of the most dominant media conglomerates in the world is trembling in the shadow of bloggers is simply absurd. Especially when you consider the fact that his company is also a dominant player on the Internet with an aggressive acquisitiveness that includes MySpace, the world’s largest online social networking site.

But there was a more shocking exchange that took place that ought to have caused more of a stir amongst professional journalists and all freedom loving people. It was an exchange that revealed something that most conscious beings knew, but which I have never seen explicitly articulated.

Murdoch was asked if News Corp. had managed to shape the agenda on the war in Iraq. His answer?

“No, I don’t think so. We tried.” Asked by Rose for further comment, he said: “We basically supported the Bush policy in the Middle East…but we have been very critical of his execution.”

Let me repeat this: “We Tried!”

Murdoch = Neocon propagandist.

Newscorp = Neocon propaganda machine.

This article "Iraqi's Say Life Is Better" = Murdoch Neocon Propaganda.

 

[carpro]

Looks like another poll, also British, provides some very different information

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6451841.stm

To the contrary, it confirms the other poll cited in the OP.

You should read your own sources or maybe have someone interpret them for you at least.

 

[carpro]

In most polls that are conducted a brief explanation of how the poll was conducted is usually accompanied with the results of that poll. There was none stated in the survey conducted by the Sunday Times. The question of the reliability of that poll is in the air, any other Polling Co. could conduct a similar survey and prove the opposite if they wanted to .

Google can be your friend, if you're really interested.

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=67

The opinion poll was conducted by ORB and the survey details are as follows:

•Results are based on face-to-face interviews amongst a nationally representative sample of 5,019 adults aged 18 years + throughout Iraq.
•The standard margin of error on the sample size is +1.4%
•The methodology uses multi-stage random probability sampling and covers every one of the eighteen governorates within Iraq.
•Interviews conducted 10th – 22nd February 2007.

 

[poncho]

"The UN children’s agency UNICEF has said that Iraq’s maternal mortality rates have increased dramatically over the last 15 years. In 1989, 117 Iraqi mothers out of 100,000 died during pregnancy or childbirth. That ratio has now increased by 65 per cent," Reuters reported last December.

"Caritas Internationalis and Caritas Iraq say that malnutrition rates have risen in Iraq from 19 percent before the US-led invasion to a national average of 28 percent four years later," Caritas Internationalis reported last week. "Caritas says that rising hunger has been caused by high levels of insecurity, collapsed healthcare and other infrastructure, increased polarization between different sects and tribes, and rising poverty."

"Sectarian and tribal conflict infects daily life in Iraq. Primary and secondary schools, hospitals, police, government are all divided along these lines. You cannot even go to the supermarket without fear that you will not return," Claudette Habesch, president of Caritas Middle East North Africa, told Reuters. "The last four years, but in particular 2006, we have seen life get worse rather than better for the ordinary Iraqi. And people are voting with their feet. Everyday 5000 people leave Iraq. In 2007, one in ten Iraqis is expected to leave the country."

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial][FONT=Verdana,Arial]"The chairman of the Iraqi Red Crescent said on Saturday that Iraq’s 'very fragile’ security and its suffering economy continue to prompt the flight of people from their homes across war-torn Iraq," reports Ya Libnan. "In an interview with CNN, Dr. Said Ismail Hakki addressed the issue of displacement, a dire symbol of the cost of the four-year-old war. He cites large numbers of refugees, people who flee to other countries, and internally displaced people, those who flee to other parts of their country over this last year." In short, the bantustanization of Iraq along ethnic and religious lines is well advanced.[/FONT][/FONT]

SOURCE

Iraqi's are lovin it so much they're leaving Iraq!

"From March 2006, the increase was approximately 5 to 6,000 a month. From July, it jumped to 80,000 to 120,000."

He said there are about 600,000 IDPs in Iraq and more than 2 million in other countries, with many in the neighboring countries of Syria, Iran, and Jordan and in regional nations such as Egypt and Lebanon.

SOURCE

 

[Petra-O IX]

Google can be your friend, if you're really interested.

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=67

The opinion poll was conducted by ORB and the survey details are as follows:

•Results are based on face-to-face interviews amongst a nationally representative sample of 5,019 adults aged 18 years + throughout Iraq.
•The standard margin of error on the sample size is +1.4%
•The methodology uses multi-stage random probability sampling and covers every one of the eighteen governorates within Iraq.
•Interviews conducted 10th – 22nd February 2007.

You should use Google more often Carpro.
Still it doesn't say who interviewed, if it was from soldiers in uniform asking these question then I can understand why an Iraqi citizen might be more concerned with giving an answer that would meet with that interviewers approval.

 

[Jack Matthews]

To the contrary, it confirms the other poll cited in the OP.

You should read your own sources or maybe have someone interpret them for you at least.

The poll of 2,212 people from across Iraq suggests an increasing pessimism and feeling of insecurity since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

It seems to be more a matter of perspective than of data. That's a direct quote from the poll I cited, and the information in it does not support the conclusions of the other poll. One shows Iraqis "optomistic" (the Rupert Murdoch propaganda piece) and one shows them "pessimistic" (the more accurate one.)

You are, as usual, sadly mistaken and hopelessly biased. But don't stop putting this laughable tripe up on the web. Each one of these biased pieces that comes out is confirmation of the desperation of Bush and his ilk.

 

[carpro]

You should use Google more often Carpro.
Still it doesn't say who interviewed, if it was from soldiers in uniform asking these question then I can understand why an Iraqi citizen might be more concerned with giving an answer that would meet with that interviewers approval.

It clearly does, but you are blinded by your preconceived notions.

 

[carpro]

It seems to be more a matter of perspective than of data. That's a direct quote from the poll I cited, and the information in it does not support the conclusions of the other poll. One shows Iraqis "optomistic" (the Rupert Murdoch propaganda piece) and one shows them "pessimistic" (the more accurate one.)

But the statistics are virtually the same.

You are used to thiese kinds of polls being quoted in the worst possibl light and when you run up against one that takes the opposite approach with the same numbers, your prejudices are exposed for all to see. So you must somehow discredit poll numbers that you believe are accurate.

I'd hate to be in that position.