Irenaeus

[JonC]

Their all dead or moved on to Florida. Any Irish are in Boston or in London pretending to be Brits or up in Canada. You might find some in politics, unions and police & fire departments but my Irish cousins primarily participate in drug trafficking, and murder… maybe gambling & prostitution. Money laundering is big with them also. But then, who am I to judge. And they aren’t the type that go to Mass on Sunday.

Nah. They got to New Jersey and thought "hey.....this is the promised land".

Little did they know....


You still thinking about moving?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Recapitulation is more of a hermeneutic. Applied to the atonement it becomes a type of theory of how the mechanism works, and in that regard I would say it is essential, but not complete.

As a hermeneutic, recapitulation is all over the Bible and the Bible is impossible to understand without it. The Biblical writers are constantly telling the same stories (recapitulating the same stories) over and over again with slight modifications or inversions to make their point. The logic of recapitulation is "just as, so also."

For example, when Exodus says that Moses was put in an "ark" and put into the waters of the Nile, clearly the writer wants us to think of Moses as the new Noah. Just as Noah, so also Moses. Then when Joshua parts the Jordan and the Israelites pass through, clearly the writer wants us to think of Joshua as the new Moses. This type of stuff is all over the place in the Bible. Literally thousands of connections like this. Just as Moses, so also Joshua.

Again regarding Exodus, there are 7 women in the first two chapters who save the world. They are all women who "undo" the failings of Eve, and who prepare the salvation story of the Exodus through the Red Sea. Mary is yet another recapitulation of women such as these. Irenaeus is correct to say that Mary succeeds where Eve fails, and to draw all the appropriate connections. Where he oversteps is calling her an "intercessor" or advocate.

Yes for sure Romans 15:4, 1 Corinthians 10:11 and 1 Peter 1:10-12 teach us that. However, as you rightly point out, it is possible to go too far as Irenaeus did. It is also possible to miss important differences in the types and to draw wrong conclusions from them. For example, the Hebrew word for 'pitch' in Genesis 6:14 is quite different from that in Exodus 2:3, and Presbyterians argue for infant 'baptism' from 1 Corinthians 10:1-2.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Nah. They got to New Jersey and thought "hey.....this is the promised land".

Little did they know....


You still thinking about moving?

I am moving but I have a house with a low mortgage and under 20K buy out on the property … so the wife wants to wait. I’m looking to buy a big used LS400 with a luxury ride and a solid V8 Cruze ride and a big back seat for the boxer dog instead of the cramped Prius Hybrid my son sourced me. Sleep in Red Roofs around the country. Forget Fla, but the South ie SC, GA, Tenn etc… but need to see it first. In NJ we are having a bit of a illegal migrant crisis that’s killing these small towns with drugs and blatant lawlessness (where do I even start). What’s really killer is the lack of community in churches and predator churches using people to enrich themselves. The real laugh is a local Methodist Church (the wife refers to it as the Community Center) sponsoring SpainishLanguage classes for English speakers wanting to communicate with the Spanish speakers LOL. Digest that!

 

[Van]

That is because Eve was made from Adam. Genesis 2:22-23.

Not what the phrase "become one flesh" means. Obviously for Adam and Eve "to become one flesh" cannot refer to Eve coming from Adam's "one flesh" (his rib). Two other meanings are found, (1) the phrase refers to the bond of marriage," and (2) the phrase refers to sexual coupling." However 1 Corinthians 6:16, clearly indicates the phase is used to refer to "sexual coupling" and therefore scripture indicates that is what is in view in Genesis 2:24.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

My parents came to NW New Jersey from Scranton PA right after he got we out of the Army after Korea in 1957. There were no jobs there and the M&M Candy factory moving to New Jersey so my dad secured a job there. No other reason to live in Jersey. Jersey was just starting as the center of big pharm, ie Johnson & Johnson, Squibb, Merck, Pfizer etc. Along with that, towns & communities grew