Irrefutable new public day of worship - Psa. 118:20-25

[BobRyan]

NONE of those that you list, Confessions or otherwise, agree with you that the Sabbath is still binding upon christians under new covenant!

Why should we listen to you make stuff up for them - when we can simply read what they themselves claim?

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D.L. Moody

TEN Commandment sermon.

The Fourth Commandment
Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.

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THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly?You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales?Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was.I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.

"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)

It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stoneat Sinai.How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away [FONT=&quot]with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; if you give up the church the home goes; and if the home goes the nation goes. That is the direction in which we are traveling.

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NONE of those that you list, Confessions or otherwise, agree with you that the Sabbath is still binding upon christians

in Christ,


Bob[/FONT]

 

[BobRyan]

In the Six points of the Sabbath doctrine - those sources accept the first 4. And then they try and "Bend the Sabbath" to point to "week-day 1".

1. Made for mankind in Gen 2:1-3, According to Mark 2:27 and Exodus 20:11.
2. Applicable to all mankind even for eternity in the future - Is 66:23.
3. Kept by gentiles in both OT (Isaiah 56) and NT (Acts 13, 17, 18)
4. Still binding on the saints today (James 2 - Heb 4 there remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God)

5. Cannot be "bent" to point to "week-day-1" by the traditions of man - Mark 7:6-13.
6. The language of Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:3 specify God’s own selected seventh-day of the week – not the mythical and much imagined “any-ol day in seven” idea. Ex 16 “Tomorrow is the Sabbath” – not “any day in seven you wish”.

 

[BobRyan]

Baptist Confession of Faith


19. The Law of God


1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the Ten Commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law,God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

 

[The Biblicist]

Baptist Confession of Faith


19. The Law of God


1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the Ten Commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law,God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

You quote this as though it supports your SDA view when you know their interpretation of it does not. You can quote it until your blue in the face but it does not change how they interpreted it.

Notice they only said that Adam and redeemed man has it written on their hearts. Second, all other men (unregenerated) have it written on their conscience. In neither case is the conscience or heart material in substance but are spiritual in substance, and therefore writing on stone cannot mean the same thing as writing on either conscience or heart. It is metaphorically written on conscience and hearts rather than physically written as the heart is not material substance. Hence, it is written metaphorically or the conscience operates by the principle of the law = love.

This means you will never find any human in the world that can recite the ten commandments verbatim as given to Moses on stone unless they have been exposed to its written form. I realize you won't admit this, even though, you cannot produce a single historical fact in all of human history were any culture not exposed to written revelation or verbal instruction of written revelation could recite the Ten Commandments verbatim as given by Moses.

This means that God never wrote upon the consicence or hearts of men that that Saturday is the Sabbath or that the seventh day of the week is the Sabbath. That revelation only comes by exposure to the written form. Prove me wrong and produce from history any civilization on record that ever held to Saturday due to mere conscience without prior or further revelation?

 

[BobRyan]

You quote this as though it supports your SDA view

Straw man - debunked accusation - "again"??

I quote that statement from the "Baptist Confession of Faith" to show that this 6 point statement is correct.

In the Six points of the Sabbath doctrine - those sources accept the first 4. And then they try and "Bend the Sabbath" to point to "week-day 1".

1. Made for mankind in Gen 2:1-3, According to Mark 2:27 and Exodus 20:11.
2. Applicable to all mankind even for eternity in the future - Is 66:23.
3. Kept by gentiles in both OT (Isaiah 56) and NT (Acts 13, 17, 18)
4. Still binding on the saints today (James 2 - Heb 4 there remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God)

5. Cannot be "bent" to point to "week-day-1" by the traditions of man - Mark 7:6-13.
6. The language of Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:3 specify God’s own selected seventh-day of the week – not the mythical and much imagined “any-ol day in seven” idea. Ex 16 “Tomorrow is the Sabbath” – not “any day in seven you wish”.

I show that they argue the first 4 points but choke on point #5.

Notice they only said that Adam and redeemed man has it written on their hearts.

Straw man - any-ol-excuse-will-do solution "again"?

They point to the TEN Commandments as "The Moral LAW" of God that is binding on all mankind.

We all know that Heb 8 places the moral law of God on the "mind and heart" in its quote of Jer 31:31-33.

Is it your wild claim that the "Baptist Confession of Faith" is written in such a way as to lead us to conclude that the NEW Covenant does NOT write the "MORAL LAW OF GOD" on the mind and heart?

Really? That is the short-sighted cliff you are willing to leap off of in any-old-excuse-will-do fashion?

You are making this too easy for me.

Please be serious.

This means that God never wrote upon the consicence or hearts of men that that Saturday is the Sabbath or that the seventh day of the week is the Sabbath.

Again your argument is condemning the first two commandments because in their natural state the natives living in darkness worship false gods.

Please be serious.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Yeshua1]

Straw man - debunked accusation - "again"??

I quote that statement from the "Baptist Confession of Faith" to show that this 6 point statement is correct.

In the Six points of the Sabbath doctrine - those sources accept the first 4. And then they try and "Bend the Sabbath" to point to "week-day 1".

1. Made for mankind in Gen 2:1-3, According to Mark 2:27 and Exodus 20:11.
2. Applicable to all mankind even for eternity in the future - Is 66:23.
3. Kept by gentiles in both OT (Isaiah 56) and NT (Acts 13, 17, 18)
4. Still binding on the saints today (James 2 - Heb 4 there remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God)

5. Cannot be "bent" to point to "week-day-1" by the traditions of man - Mark 7:6-13.
6. The language of Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:3 specify God’s own selected seventh-day of the week – not the mythical and much imagined “any-ol day in seven” idea. Ex 16 “Tomorrow is the Sabbath” – not “any day in seven you wish”.

I show that they argue the first 4 points but choke on point #5.



Straw man - any-ol-excuse-will-do solution "again"?

They point to the TEN Commandments as "The Moral LAW" of God that is binding on all mankind.

We all know that Heb 8 places the moral law of God on the "mind and heart" in its quote of Jer 31:31-33.

Is it your wild claim that the "Baptist Confession of Faith" is written in such a way as to lead us to conclude that the NEW Covenant does NOT write the "MORAL LAW OF GOD" on the mind and heart?

Really? That is the short-sighted cliff you are willing to leap off of in any-old-excuse-will-do fashion?

You are making this too easy for me.

Please be serious.




Again your argument is condemning the first two commandments because in their natural state the natives living in darkness worship false gods.

Please be serious.

in Christ,

Bob

NONE of the reformed baptists inteprete that to mean we are under Sabbath as the SDA states, and why do you have Confessions equal to the bible?

is it because you cannot prove from the bible your SDA doctrines regarding this?

 

[BobRyan]

I said -

1. Made for mankind in Gen 2:1-3, According to Mark 2:27 and Exodus 20:11.
2. Applicable to all mankind even for eternity in the future - Is 66:23.
3. Kept by gentiles in both OT (Isaiah 56) and NT (Acts 13, 17, 18)
4. Still binding on the saints today (James 2 - Heb 4 there remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God)

5. Cannot be "bent" to point to "week-day-1" by the traditions of man - Mark 7:6-13.
6. The language of Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:3 specify God’s own selected seventh-day of the week – not the mythical and much imagined “any-ol day in seven” idea. Ex 16 “Tomorrow is the Sabbath” – not “any day in seven you wish”.

I show that they argue the first 4 points but choke on point #5.

NONE of the reformed baptists inteprete that to mean we are under Sabbath as the SDA states, and why do you have Confessions equal to the bible?

is it because you cannot prove from the bible your SDA doctrines regarding this?

Your effort to agree disagreeably "noted".

But you sidestepped the fact that you are opposing your own fellow Sunday-keeping Baptist sources - on points 1 through 4.

How sad.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Yeshua1]

I said -

1. Made for mankind in Gen 2:1-3, According to Mark 2:27 and Exodus 20:11.
2. Applicable to all mankind even for eternity in the future - Is 66:23.
3. Kept by gentiles in both OT (Isaiah 56) and NT (Acts 13, 17, 18)
4. Still binding on the saints today (James 2 - Heb 4 there remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God)

5. Cannot be "bent" to point to "week-day-1" by the traditions of man - Mark 7:6-13.
6. The language of Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:3 specify God’s own selected seventh-day of the week – not the mythical and much imagined “any-ol day in seven” idea. Ex 16 “Tomorrow is the Sabbath” – not “any day in seven you wish”.

I show that they argue the first 4 points but choke on point #5.




Your effort to agree disagreeably "noted".

But you sidestepped the fact that you are opposing your own fellow Sunday-keeping Baptist sources - on points 1 through 4.

How sad.

in Christ,

Bob

Worse thasn that, is that youdisregard what Jesus and His Apsotles stated regarding this, for a false prophetess!

 

[BobRyan]

Worse thasn that, is that youdisregard what Jesus and His Apsotles stated regarding this,

Just because you oppose your own "Baptist Confession of Faith" does not mean you should accuse us who agree with them on the very points where you are at war with them - of only agreeing with them because we accept God act of giving the ministry of a prophet to Ellen White.

you need to be more objective and unbiased in your bashing.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Yeshua1]

Just because you oppose your own "Baptist Confession of Faith" does not mean you should accuse us who agree with them on the very points where you are at war with them - of only agreeing with them because we accept God act of giving the ministry of a prophet to Ellen White.

you need to be more objective and unbiased in your bashing.

in Christ,

Bob

Not a Reformed baptist, so lets stick to just the inspired revelation of god, the bible, Eh?

 

[BobRyan]

Your rejection of the Bible teaching on this subject is already on record.

In the Six points of the Sabbath doctrine - those sources accept the first 4. And then they try and "Bend the Sabbath" to point to "week-day 1".

1. Made for mankind in Gen 2:1-3, According to Mark 2:27 and Exodus 20:11.
2. Applicable to all mankind even for eternity in the future - Is 66:23.
3. Kept by gentiles in both OT (Isaiah 56) and NT (Acts 13, 17, 18)
4. Still binding on the saints today (James 2 - Heb 4 there remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God)

5. Cannot be "bent" to point to "week-day-1" by the traditions of man - Mark 7:6-13.
6. The language of Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:3 specify God’s own selected seventh-day of the week – not the mythical and much imagined “any-ol day in seven” idea. Ex 16 “Tomorrow is the Sabbath” – not “any day in seven you wish”. Even section 22 of the Baptist Confession of Faith - admits that it is the same "day of the week" kept from creation to the resurrection. IF they can see that point - so also can Seventh-day Baptists and others.

No wonder D.L. Moody affirms the first 4 points - even while others here are at war with the first 4 Bible points listed here.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Yeshua1]

Your rejection of the Bible teaching on this subject is already on record.

In the Six points of the Sabbath doctrine - those sources accept the first 4. And then they try and "Bend the Sabbath" to point to "week-day 1".

1. Made for mankind in Gen 2:1-3, According to Mark 2:27 and Exodus 20:11.
2. Applicable to all mankind even for eternity in the future - Is 66:23.
3. Kept by gentiles in both OT (Isaiah 56) and NT (Acts 13, 17, 18)
4. Still binding on the saints today (James 2 - Heb 4 there remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God)

5. Cannot be "bent" to point to "week-day-1" by the traditions of man - Mark 7:6-13.
6. The language of Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:3 specify God’s own selected seventh-day of the week – not the mythical and much imagined “any-ol day in seven” idea. Ex 16 “Tomorrow is the Sabbath” – not “any day in seven you wish”. Even section 22 of the Baptist Confession of Faith - admits that it is the same "day of the week" kept from creation to the resurrection. IF they can see that point - so also can Seventh-day Baptists and others.

No wonder D.L. Moody affirms the first 4 points - even while others here are at war with the first 4 Bible points listed here.

in Christ,

Bob

Did Moody state that the NT church was under the sabbath as israel observed it in OT?

Do ANY of those you like to quote?