Is a house not made with hands,necessary?

[percho]

Should have made this a poll but do not know how.


For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight: ) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Cor 4:16-18 - 2 Cor 5:1-8 KJV


Does that scripture state that in order to be with Christ, a man, pust have put off the body, the earthly house of tabernacle subject to being destroyed and to have put on his house from heaven which is eternal?

Exactly when is mortality swallowed up of life?

At death or at some other point in time?

 

[JonC]

I think that there is a sense where it is "day by day," as the passage states towards the beginning, but we are not perfected until the end.

 

[OldRegular]

Should have made this a poll but do not know how.


For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight: ) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Cor 4:16-18 - 2 Cor 5:1-8 KJV


Does that scripture state that in order to be with Christ, a man, pust have put off the body, the earthly house of tabernacle subject to being destroyed and to have put on his house from heaven which is eternal?

Exactly when is mortality swallowed up of life?

At death or at some other point in time?

I believe the "house not made with hands" is the glorified resurrection body and yes it is necessary! John Gill says:

have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens? which some understand of the glorified body upon its resurrection, as opposed to its frail, mortal, earthly frame in its present situation; though rather all this designs the happiness of the saints, which will be begun, and they shall immediately enter into, at the dissolution of their bodies, and will be consummated at the resurrection; which is all of God's building and preparing; not made by the hands of the creature; or obtained by works of righteousness done by men; and it lies in the heavens, and will continue for ever. So the {c} Jews speak of avydq tyb, "the holy house", in the world to come, and which they suppose is intended in Isa 56:5 Pr 24:3. In this the saints have a present interest; they have it already built and prepared for them; they have an indubitate right and title to it through the righteousness of Christ; they have it secured to them in Christ, their feoffee in trust, their head and representative; and they have the earnest of it, the Spirit of God in their hearts; of all which they have sure and certain knowledge: "for we know"; they are well assured of the truth of this from the promise of God, who cannot lie, from the declaration of the Gospel, the testimony of the Spirit, and the close and inseparable connection there is between the grace they have already received, and the glory that shall be hereafter.

 

[percho]

I believe the "house not made with hands" is the glorified resurrection body and yes it is necessary! John Gill says:

To bad Gill wasn't consistent. He goes from, "a house not made with hands eternal in the heavens," as being one's resurrected body to, "our house which is from heaven," as not being the resurrected body.

The, "house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." is the exact same house as this one, "to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven."

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Cor 15:53


The mortal soul must put on. be clothed with, immortality and this corruptible flesh must put on, be clothed with incorruption.

When? At the return of Jesus with our house which is from heaven.

 

[beameup]

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible
shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
Death is swallowed up in victory. 1 Cor 15:51-53

During the Feast of Trumpets, there are 100 blasts from the shofar, the last being loudest and longest (ie: "last trump").
This is the Rapture (harpazo) of the Body of Christ, before the Tribulation.

 

[percho]

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible
shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
Death is swallowed up in victory. 1 Cor 15:51-53

During the Feast of Trumpets, there are 100 blasts from the shofar, the last being loudest and longest (ie: "last trump").
This is the Rapture (harpazo) of the Body of Christ, before the Tribulation.

Amen brother/sister that will be the moment when the gates of Hades have not prevailed over the church of God.

 

[Alcott]

Is a house not made with hands,necessary?

My house is made with bricks, but I'm sure I could live otherwise.